KINGDOM OF LESOTHO
PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES
OF THE
SENATE
DAILY HANSARD
OFFICIAL REPORT
OF THE
First Meeting – First Session – Eleventh Parliament
Date: Thusday, 09 thMarch, 2023
LENANE LA LITHO TSA NTLO EA MAHOSANA
| 1.Hon. Seeiso B. Seeiso | Principal Chief of Matsieng | |
| 2. Hon. Joel A. Motšoene | Principal Chief of Leribe | |
| 3.Hon. Sempe Gabasheane Masupha | Principal Chief of Ha ’Mamathe, Thupa-Kubu, Teya-Teyaneng le Jordan | |
| 4.Hon. Mamolapo M. Q Majara | Principal Chief of Ha Majara | |
| 5.Hon. Tumane Matela | Principal Chief of Makhoakhoeng | |
| 6.Hon. Moeketsi Moletsane II | Principal Chief of Taung | |
| 7.Hon. Lerotholi Mathealira Seeiso | Principal Chief of Mokhotlong | |
| 8. Hon. Lerotholi L. Seeiso | Principal Chief of Likhoele | |
| 9.Hon. Nthati Bereng | Principal Chief of Phamong | |
| 10.Hon. Mojela T. Makhaola | Principal Chief of Qacha’s Nek | |
| 11.Hon. Seeiso S. H. Nkuebe | Principal Chief of Quthing | |
| 12.Hon. Nthupi A. Bereng | Principal Chief of Rothe, Masite, Serooeng, Letšeng, Kolo Ha Mohlalefi le Thaba-Tseka Ha Ntaote | |
| 13.Hon. Khoabane K. L. K.Theko | Principal Chief of Thaba-Bosiu | |
| 14.Hon. Mitchel S. Maama | Principal Chief of Ha Maama | |
| 15.Hon Moholobela M. Moholobela | Principal Chief of Matelile | |
| 16.Hon. Bereng G. Seeiso Api | Principal Chief of Ha Ramabanta le Kubake | |
| 17. Hon. Peete R. L Peete | Principal Chief of Koeneng le Mapoteng | |
| 18.Hon. ’Mako T. Mohale | Principal Chief of Tajane, Ha Moetsana le Ha Mohale | |
| 19. Hon. Khoabane T. Mojela | Principal Chief of Tebang, Tšakholo le Ha Seleso | |
| 20. Hon. Retšelisitsoe Mopeli | Principal Chief of Botha-Bothe | |
| 21.Hon. Pontšo S. Mathealira | Principal Chief of Tsikoane, Peka le Kolbere | |
| 22.Hon. Qeto Sekonyela | Principal Chief of Malingoaneng | |
| 23.Hon. ’Maphakiso Q. Lebona | Senator | |
| 24. Hon. ’Makholu ‘Mualle Moshoeshoe | Senator | |
| 25. Hon. Pascalis K. Mosenene | Senator | |
| 26. Hon. Kotiti Liholo | Senator | |
| 27. Hon. Prof. Ntoi Rapapa | Senator | |
| 28. Hon. Tsukutlane Au | Senator | |
| 29. Hon. ’Mafumane Sebatana | Senator | |
| 30. Hon. Lebohang Hlaele | Senator | |
| 31. Hon. Mphonyane Lebesa | Senator | |
| 32. Hon. Mokoto Hloaele | Senator | |
| 33. Hon. Prof. Nqosa L. Mahao | Senator |
PARLIAMENT OF THE KINGDOM OF LESOTHO
SENATE CHAMBER
Thursday, 9th March, 2023
The House assembled at 10:30 a.m.
(MADAM PRESIDENT in the Chair)
PRAYER
The Chaplain led the House in Prayer
ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM THE CHAIR
MADAM PRESIDENT: Litho tse Khabane, kea le lumelisa le ho le amohela kajeno.
Rea u amohela, Ntate Letona.
Litsebiso tsa kajeno li eme ka tsela e latelang:
- Kajeno Ntlo e tla fetisa Tlhahiso e holim’a ho tsosolosa Lits’oants’o tsa Molao tse latelang, tse ileng tsa koalloa ke ho qhaloa hoa Paramente ea Leshome, ‘me li be li fetele Komiting e amehang ea Ketsa-Molao.
Tsona ke:
- Tax Administration Bill, 2022,
- Protection and Administration of Custom at Initiation Schools Bill, 2022,
- Bio-Diversity Resources Management Bill, 2022,
- Public Financial Management and Accountability Bill, 2022,
- Range Land Resources Management Bill, 2021,
- Income Tax (Amendment) Bill, 2021.
- Athe hang ha Ntlo e phomola hona kajeno, Komiti ea Ketsa-Molao e leng Legislation Committee, e tla kopana hona ka mona ka Chamber, ‘me Litho ke tse latelang… ke tla li bala.
- Ea boraro, Litho tse Khabane, e leng eona ea ho qetela, ke hore hang ha Ntlo e phomola, Letona la Mesebetsi e Meholo le Lipalangoang (Public Works and Transport) le tla ba teng ho abela Litho tse Khabane linomoro-polata tsa makoloi a tona a le tsebisang.
Lekala le boetse le kopa hore litokomane tsa Clearance Certificate and Motor Vehicle Registration Certificate li tle li bokelloe Ofising ea Clerk, moo li tla fetisetsoa Lekaleng ho le lokisetsa li-disc tse tla nyallana le linomoro tseo. Kopo ke hore mafelo a khoeli eona ena ea Tlhakubele, 2023 tsa be li felletse Ofising eo ea Clerk le tle le tsebe ho thusoa, Litho tse Khabane.
Litsebiso tsa rona tsa letsatsi lena li fella mona.
Ke kopa ho bala Litho tsa Legislation Committee:
- Hon. M.M. Moshoeshoe
- Hon. J.A. Mots’oene
- Hon. M.T. Mohale
- Hon. K.L.K. Theko
- Hon. S.S. Nkuebe
- Hon. B.G. Api
- Hon. S. Motsamai
- Hon. L, Khoaele
- Hon. S.B. Seeiso
- Hon. M. Kanetsi
- Hon. L.M. Seeiso
- Hon. Dr. T. Lebese
- Hon. N.L. Bereng
- Hon. P.L. Peete
Litho tse Khabane, re boetse re na le Motion oo re ileng ra o fumana ho tsoa ho Setho se Khabane Morena oa rona oa Leribe. Maoba le maobane Business Committee e ile ea kopana ho ikeletsa ka Motion oa mofuta ono, ‘me ke kopa hore ke le balle qeto eo re e fihletseng, e le ruling ea Setulo:
“The Office of the Clerk received a Motion from Honourable Joel Bolokoe Mots’oene on the 13th February, 2023. The Motion was tabled as follows:
Due to some certain irregularities happened to the elections of,,,”
HON. SENATOR J.A. MOTS’OENE: Ntlha ea Tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi.
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Ke ema ka Ntlha ea Tsamaiso mona, ke kopa ke tle ke e qale tjena; ke ratile, ebile ke hlokometse, ka ba le kutloisiso ea hore ehlile litaba tseo tsa Motion oo li tl’o tsamaea ka sebopeho sona sena, hobane Setho se seng se Khabane seo e leng Setho sa Business Committee, se ile sa hla sa e bua re le kae-kae, re se ka Ntlong hore e ke ke ea bona khanya ea letsatsi, ‘me kea hlokomela e ke ke ea e bona.
Ke mpa ke re feela, Mohlomphehi, Ntlha ea ka ea Tsamaiso ke ena:
Ha re sheba kahar’a Constitution ea rona, re sheba Temana ea 81, e bua ka the manner ea…ebile not…ke kopa ts’oarelo. Ke re Standing Order sa rona sa Ntlo Section 32, re sheba 10(5) ea teng e bua ka the manner of giving Notice of the Motion, ‘me kutloisiso ea ka ke hore…
HON. SENATOR.P.L. PEETE: Potso.
Ke ne ke kopa u mphe potso, ‘M’e.
Ke ne ke kopa a mphe potso, ‘M’e.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Ua mo fa, Morena oa ka?
HON. SENATOR J.A. MOTS’OENE: Ke se ke mo file, ‘M’e.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Hakere, Setho se Khabane, u botsa Morena oa Leribe?
HON. SENATOR R.P.L. PEETE: E-ea, ‘M’e.
Ke ne ke re na Morena oa ka Morena Khomo ea Litlali, ebe ha u bone eka ho ka ba prudent hore ‘M’e ‘Mamokitimi a bale qeto eo ba e entseng, re tle re tsebe ho e nka from there?
Ka boikokobetso, Morena oa ka.
HON. SENATOR J.A. MOTS’OENE: Kea leboha, Morena oa ka Morena oa Mats’ekha.
Taba ea ka e mona. Section 81 eo ke neng ke bua ka eona ea Constitution e bua ka Regulations of Procedure in Parliament, ‘me ha e cho joalo e ntlisa mona Standing Orders tse tsamaisang Ntlo ena e Khabane. Standing Order 32 seno se re ha Setho se fana ka motion, se tla fana ka motion ho Mr. Clerk, ‘me Mr. Clerk eena ka secretariat ea hae Ofising then peruse through that motion, ebe ba o khutlisetsa ho Setho hore Setho se o saene.
Joale empa ha o s’o feta o ea ho Business Committee, ‘na ke fane ka presentation, ke sa tsebisoa hore na ehlile e nepahetse ntlha eo, na re r’eng ka eona? Ke utloa eka ha ba nkabele toka ka sebopeho sa mofuta ono.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Morena oa Leribe, ke kopa u bue le Setulo. U bue u shebile Setulo.
HON. SENATOR J.A. MOTS’OENE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi. Ke kopa ts’oarelo.
Ke ne ke re, kutloisiso ea ka ho latela Molao oa naha le melaoana e re tsamaisang, ha ke entse presentation ea ka ho Ofisi ea Clerk, kapa ke entse present that motion towards the Office of the Clerk, Clerk eena – ebile ke e qoqile. Ke kopa ke be on record. Ke e qoqile le eena.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Setho se Khabane, ke ne ke botsa hore na u tla araba potso ea Morena?
HON. SENATOR J.A. MOTS’OENE: Ke utloa eka ke mo arabile hore tabeng ena nka se lumele hore u tsoele pele pele u utloa taba ea ka na e hokae ea Ntlha ea Tsamaiso.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Ke kopa u e behe ka bokhuts’oanyane, he, ke tsebe ho e araba.
HON. SENATOR J.A. MOTS’OENE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Kea kholoa ka bokhuts’oanyane ke hore na ha u s’o e bala mono, ‘M’e, u e bala feela joale ‘na ke e entse present moo ho nepahetseng, moo ke lebeletseng hore secretariat ea mono moo ke nahang hore ho nepahetse, moo ebileng e leng tebello ea ka hore e re Litho, kapa ‘na ke le Setho ha ke fana ka presentation kahar’a Ntlo ka mona, ebe ke abeloa toka ka hore litaba tsa ka li khutlisetsoe ho latela Section 32(10)(5) eno…
Joale ke re na ho latela taba ea ka na ebe u utloa eka Setulo se tla be se nkabela toka, ke sa khutlisetsoa tokomane eo sebakeng sa tokiso, e khutlisoa feela?
Ua bona e ntse e tlisa puong ela, Mohlomphehi?
MADAM PRESIDENT: Setho se Khabane, ke tla be ke u thetsa ha nka ka re ke utloisisa potso ea hao, empa ke ne ke kopa hore ke tle ke u arabe kamora’ hore ke qetele taba ena.
U tl’o…
HON. SENATOR J.A. MOTS’OENE: Ntlha ea Tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi.
Ehlile ke tena ke ema tjee…
MADAM PRESIDENT: Ke kopa u se ke ua ema ke eme, Morena.
HON. SENATOR J.A. MOTS’OENE: Kea kholoa ke ne ke ema ka Ntlha ea Tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi.
Ke kopa ts’oarelo.
MADAM PRESIDENT: E-ea, Ntate, ke ne ke re ke tle ke u supe, joale u eme.
Ke kopa u tsoele pele ka Ntlha ea Tsamaiso, Morena.
HON. SENATOR J.A. MOTS’OENE: Ke ne ke re, Mohlomphehi, ke boela ke pheta hape hore na u utloa eka u tla b’o nkabela toka? Hakere I presented my Motion to the Office of the Clerk? It was with great anticipation hore eena Mr. Clerk ebe o fa secretariat ea hae litaba tsa ka tsa Motion ono, ha a e file litaba tsa ka tsa Motion ono, e lokise moo e lokisang, ho latela sona Standing Order seno seo ke buang ka sona. Ha ba qeta ho lokisa, ebe ba re, ‘na litaba tsa hao ke tsona tsee’? Ke re, ‘e’. Haeba ho na le moo ho hlokang hore ho etsoe amend some certain issues – mono, joaloka ha ke ile ka utloa hore Setulo se ile sa re taba ena e tjena, ‘me joale ebe o re haeba li nepahetse ts’oara u tekene mono… Ha ke etsa tlhahiso, ehlile ha ke e hlahisa ke nka pampiri eo, Mohlomphehi, ea tlhahiso, ke ngola litaba tsa ka mona, hore u tle u hle u tsebe hore ke ‘na ea e ngotseng ebile kea tekena le pele e fihla ka mane. Joale e se e ananeloa hore e tle e kene ho Order Paper haeba e ka ea chabeloa ke letsatsi, Che, ke kopa ke behe puo eno. Empa haeba e sa chabeloe ke letsatsi, le teng e tlanne e be taba e ngoe hobane ha re ka loba tsela ea presentation ena, procedure eno e tl’o fosahala.
MADAME PRESIDENT: Hore ke tle ke se ke ka ferekana, u botse ntho eo ke lokelang ho e araba ke tle ke tsebe ho e araba; u se ke ua e ts’oants’a ka lintho tse ngata, kea lahleha.
Ke ne ke re, Setho se Khabane, u lule fats’e ke tsebe ho araba potso ea hau, haeba kea e utloa.
Setho se Khabane, litlhahiso tsohle tse etsoang boholo ba tsona le li etsetsoa ke The Office of the Clerk, le li fa Bahlanka ba ka tlase ho eena kamehla. Ha se tse ngata tseo nkileng ka bona ha li ea directly to office ea Clerk. ‘Me li-Motion tseo le ee le li seka-seke le Litho tse entseng motion o joalo.
Joale ke ne ke re, re ile ra o shebisana pele ‘me re ile ra ba ra o seka-seka le li-ofisiri tseo, ho fihlela joale Motion o se o tla ka hare ho Ntlo. Motion oa mofuta ona ke lumela hore u ikelelitse hore u o ise Ofising ea Clerk ho latela boholo ba ona, ‘me eaba Ntate Clerk o o fetiselitsa ho ‘na, hobane o ne a keke a o fetisetsa li ofisiring tse tlase.O o hlahlobile, ra ba ra o hlahloba le eena.
Ke ile ka u etsetsa molaetsa ka Ntate Clerk, ka re a u bitsetse office ea ka re tl’o lokisa oona Motion ono, e le hona ho u bonts’a hore na ke eona ntho eo u e batlang ee kapo ha se eona, Morena. Empa ha u ka ba oa tla, Morena oa ka.
Ntho e hlahlamang e buuoeng ke hore na ke u bitsetsa li-corneng, makunutung li-corneng -‘me ha u ka ba ua qetella u tlile. Ha hona letho le neng le nts’alletse ntle le hore ke nke motion ke o amohele. Leha re se ntse re le ka mona, ha u ka ba ua kopa ho re, ‘ke fositse Motion’. Joale ke ne ke kopa litaba tsena tseo u ntseng u mpotsa tsona li tl’o arajoa ke pampiri ena kaofela ha tsona. Ke kopa u mphe monyetla oa hore ke li bale.
Ke kopa ho qala …
HON.SENATOR.J.A.MOTS’OENE: Kea kholoa, Mohlomphehi, ke ne ke re ke utloa Setulo se batla ho iphosisa ha se re ha kea tla, sa qetella se nkile e le hona. Le ngoana ka tlung, oa hau, ha a fositse u ke ke ua re taba ha e sa buuoa ke hobane a nepile ka ho fosa hono.
What I am trying to say ke hona: Ntate Clerk – even the Secretariat, I’ve met both offices empa ho latela boemo boo ke neng ke bona Motion ona, Mohlomphehi, the first day feela we met in here after submitting the Motion, you said ho latela boholo ba teng, ehlile ho na le phoso e etsahetseng, ‘me u ne u sa tl’o tla u etsa present kapo ho o kenya on the Order paper ka hare ho Ntlo ka mona. Ke bua mantsoe a hau; le Hansard ha e ka baloa, ehlile e cho joalo. Joale ke re ‘n’a as a member ke kopana le Ntate Clerk. ‘Ntate, here is the Motion,’ of which eena before presenting it to you, a e balileng ho latela mosebetsi oa hae o hlahang ka mona ka har’a li-Standing Order, ha ke sheba Section 6 ea teng. Eena o ne a tlameha hore a bale taba ea Motion ono e re ha a qeta a re, a-e, lokisa mona le mona then a ee ho uena. uena u etse qeto; eseng o fete o le tala o le tjena, hoo u qetellang uen, Mohlomphehi, u re a-e, empa Motion ona oa hau o na le taba e tjena e ke bonang eka ha ea nepahala – u itse u o fetisa u o beha ho Ntlo.
Joale ke re taba eo ea ho lokisoa ke office ea Clerk ka Secretariat ea hae – haeba o sa hloke ho ea ho Secretariat, eena ka office ea hae o tlameha a e lokise haeba e sa ee ka mono ka Secretariat a tle ho uena, Mohlomphehi, joale a re, ache! Ke lokisitse Motion ona oa Setho se Khabane, o ne o re tjena, ‘me ke lokisitse mona le mona moo ke neng ke bona eka ho setse joale ke kopa re etse tjena.
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
MADAME PRESIDENT: Kea leboha, Setho se Khabane. Oa tseba ke ne ke hlokomela feela hore re tla senya nako re ntse re botsana lipotso, tse tla arajoa ke litaba tsena tsa ka tse mona! Ke le kopa hore re se lobe tsamaiso hape, Morena.
HON.SENATOR. S.K.MASUPHA: Hona le ntho eo ke batlang hore ke e behe.
MADAME PRESIDENT: Oa e beha, Morena? Haeba ha se Ntlha ea Tsamaiso – ke kopa hore haeba ha ho na ntho e lobileng Tsamaiso, ke kopa re ke re tateleng ho eona le tle le utloelikarabo.
Ke kopa ke se ke ka u fa, Morena, hobane ke bona lipotso boholo e le tse tla tla li etsoa address ke pampiri ena eo ke tl’o e bala.
HON.SENATOR. S.K.MASUPHA: Ke utloa eka ho latela ka mokhoa oo Morena a bolelang kateng, ekare o re ho bala lengolo leo, ekare le tla be le hatella maikutlo a hae?
Joale ke ne ke kopa hore…
MADAME PRESIDENT: Ke kopa u lule fats’e, Setho se Khabane, hle!
Beng ba ka, ke kopa re sekeng ra sitisa mosebetsi oa Ntlo, re lumelleng hore le mamele litaba tsa ka, joale e be le tla cho hore na ke tsa lona kapo ha se tsa lona.
Hona joale Morena hakere o ngotse taba ee e ngoe maobane! U tsebella kae na e r’eng hobane o e ngotse maobane?
HON.SENATOR. R.P.L.PEETE: Kea leboha. Ka ’nete ke leboha ka monyetla ona oo u mphang oona., ‘M’e, kaha re ne re se re na le letsoalo la hore ka nako e ’ngoe ua tloha u hana ho re fa.
‘Na ntho eo ke emang ka eona ke hore, ‘M’e ‘Mamokitimi, ntho eo re e hlokang mona ke ponaletso, ‘me haeba litabeng tseo tseo u tl’o re balla tsona, ultimately u tl’o tla u re bolella hore Motion o tla kena on this particular day, re tla u leboha haholo ‘M’e. U tla be u bapetse karolo e kholo haholo molemong oa sechaba sa Basotho. Ntho eo re e hlokang ke ponaletso, empa haeba on that paper eo u tl’o e bala kapo tokomane eo u tl’o e bala, ‘M’e, ultimately u tl’o tla u re joetsa hore Motion ha o tl’o kena, ka ‘nete ke kopa ho etsa keletso ea boikokobetso hore u tla be u baka moluba-lube.
E ka ba bohlokoa, ‘M’e, hore whatever eno eo u tl’o re balla eona qetellong e etsoe acknowledge, hore Litho tse ling tsa Ntlo ena, leha eke keng ea ba bona kaofela, ba na le concern ea hore ho na le moo litaba li sa tsamaeang hantle, ho na le moo ho ileng ha hlokahala ponaletso teng.
Haeba ntho eo eo u tl’o e bala e tl’o re bolella hore on this particular day Motion o tla kena ka hare ho Ntlo ena ka ’nete, ‘M’e, with due respect, re tla leboha and ‘na from lehlakore la ka ha u n’o ba ua bona eng kapo eng e ka u belaetsang, ke tla be ke khotsofetse.
MADAME PRESIDENT: Morena oa Mats’ekha, ha ke araba litaba tsa hau ke re, Ntate, ke kopa u mamele litaba tsa ruling ena, u tla utloa hore na li araba litaba tsa lona kapa ha le li arabe, hobane ke lumela hore re kentse litaba tsohle tseo e bang ke li-concern. Joale ha u cho joalo u beha kariki ka pel’a lipere. Ke le kopa hore haeba le batla ho lateloe tsamaiso, le lona le ikobele eona tsamaiso, ‘me ke kopa ha Setulo se eme ke kopa hore… (interrupted).
HON.SENATOR. J.A.MOTS’OENE: The procedure ea Tsamaiso ea litaba ka hare ho Ntlo ena – ebile joale ke se ke re eona taba ena eo re e tekileng mono, ho latela Molao oa Motheo ka temana e ea mashome a robeli a motso o mong, re ne re sheba le 32 eno, li tlameha li…
MADAME PRESIDENT: Morena oa Leribe, constitution ena eo u ntseng u e etsa quote u tsebe kaofela ha rona re na le eona, re ntse re tl’o e etsa quote le rona
HON.SENATOR. S. MOTSAMAI: Ke ema mona ka Standing Order…(interrupted).
HON.SENATOR. J.A.MOTS’OENE: Ha re shebe Section 44D ea disruption e etsoang ke Setho sa Ntlo ena. Ke kopa re e shebe Section eno 44D! Ehlile I have been expecting this kind of katamelo ea litaba. E re ha hona Setho se tla ema se etsa disrupt litaba tsa Setho se seng se tekileng taba ka hare ho Ntlo ka mona. E shebe Mohlomphehi, ke eno mono.
MADAME PRESIDENT: Ke kopa hore u lule fats’e, u ile oa fumana sebaka, u fe ba bang ha ba fuoe sebaka.
HON.SENATOR. S.MOTSAMAI: Ke ema ka Standing Order No.37.2 eo ke neng ke kopa ka uena, ‘M’e President, hore e mpe e etsoe observe temana eno. ‘Me taba eno e tla re thusa hore le rona bao ebang ha re na maikutlo tabeng ena re tsebe ho e mamela ka tlhompho eo e behoang ka eona, le ka maikutlo ao e fanoanag ka ‘ona. Ha re sa latele Tsamaiso e ka mona… kea kholoa ntho eo re e kopang ho uena ‘M’e President, ke hore ha re tsamaeeng ka buka ena, ka li Standing Order.
Kea leboha.
MADAME PRESIDENT: Ke kopa ho tsoela pele, Litho tse Khabane. Order!
The Office of the Clerk received a Motion from Hon. Joel Bolokoe Mots’oene on the 12th February 2023. The Motion was tabled as follows:
“Due to some certain irregularities happened to the elections of the Senate Presiding Officers, being the President of the Senate and the Deputy President, I hereby present a Motion of no confidence towards/to the House of the Senate before attending the Appropriation Bill, which is going to be presented before the Members of Parliament.”
That is how the Motion oa Morena oa Leribe read.
From the text quoted above, the issues raised are as follows to be dealt with individually:
- Irregularities happened to the elections of the Senate Presiding Officers.
- Motion of no confidence towards the House of the Senate.
- The matter being dealt accordingly before attending the Appropriation Bill.
On the first point which is the irregularities, the mover of the Motion alleges that, there are irregularities that happened during the elections of the Presiding Officers. The said irregularities are not mentioned nor the House being informed as to what those irregularities are, the crux of the matter is that, after the election of the Presiding Officers on the 3rd November 2022, some Senators seemed not to be satisfied with the outcome of the elections, they then indicated in writing that they want ballot re-count believing that there was fraud.
The Senate then resolved that the ballot boxes be opened for re-count. This was done pursuant to Section 6 (5) of the Senate Standing Orders, in the presence of the Transformation Resource Centre Officials and the members of the Lesotho Mounted Police Services as independent observers. The result of the re-count was still the same as the previous results announced on the 3rd November 2022 and the matter came to conclusion as the irregularities that were alleged were ultimately addressed.
Number two, which is Motion of no confidence towards the House of the Senate, the Oxford English dictionary defines ‘towards’ as t ‘in direction of’. The Motion of no Confidence phrase is mostly used in democratic Governance where a Member solicits support of the majority of Members in an organization to uninstall authority from the position of power by a majority vote. By analogy therefore, the Motion is intended to abolish the Senate with the support of the majority vote or change the composition of the Senate.
The critical question then is whether this House has the power to abolish or change the House of Senate with the Motion of No Confidence? The answer is in the negative. This is so because the Senate is the creature of the Constitution per Section 54 and 55 thereof.
There is no law in our legal framework that directly or by implication authorises or enables… (interrupted).
HON.SENATOR. R.P.L.PEETE: Mohlomphehi, ka hobane u re ntho eno ke ruling – ha u qeta ho bala ntho eno u tla be u re re tsamaee? U tla be u re hulanya u re re tsamaee?
Ke‘ne ke kopa hore, Mohlomphehi oa ka, ka boikokobetso, ‘M’e, kea kopa, ke ne ke kopa hore ke utloa u sa thetse tabeng.
HON.SENATOR. J.A.MOTS’OENE: Standing Order sea bua, Section 4(d). E re, ha hona litaba tseo le ka bang la li etsa ka mona. Haeba ke na le taba, Setulo se tlameha se nkarabele tabeng ea ka, ‘me Mohlomphehi, litaba tsena tse u buang ka tsona ha hona mo ke buileng ka tsona.
Ke re procedure ea taba ea presentation ea Motion ho Setulo, re tlameha re e tsamaise ka Office ea Clerk le Secretariat ea hae. Joale ba e etse peruse ba e khutlisetse ho presenter ea Motion o joalo.
Joaleempa ha u arabe litaba tseno tsa ka, Mohlomphehi. Ke utloa u itahlisa tsela u araba tsela ena ka liSection tse ling tseo ‘na ke sa buang ka tsona. Nna ke re what’s the procedure for presenting the Motion? Ke eo u ka beng u ntjoetsa hore, a-e, Section e itseng e re tjena le tjena ha u etsa present Motion. ‘Me haeba u re ha ea loka ho lokile rona re e fetisitse ka taba e tjena le tjena. U e file Clerk, ‘me rona re bone le Clerk a re e nepahetse, joale hore e tle khutle procedurally re bone ho sa hlokahale.
Ke re ke mo joetsitse Mr. Clerk, even yesterday! Ke ho re joale ke fetohile Secretariat ea Mr. Clerk, ke se ke lokisa seo eena kapa uena, Mohlomphehi, le neng le se hlalosa hore ha kena ts’epo ho Ntlo ea Senate. Nka hloka ts’epo ho Ntlo ea Senate ke le Member ea Ntlo ea Senate joang? Ke re, ha kena ts’epo ho Setulo le Tafole, eseng Ntlo. ‘Na seo ke neng ke se bua ke hore Ntlo e se ke ea ea Appropriation Bill, hobane Constitution ea e thibela hore e sitise taba tsa Appropriation Bill, joale ke ne ke re, before e ka tla ka Ntlong ena ea Senate, ha re ke re shebeng taba ena ea ho hloka ts’epo ho uena.
U keke ua e mamela hobane… interrupted.
MADAM PESIDENT: Ke kopa ho re ha ke eme u ntlhomphe.
Ke ne ke kopa hore ke qetele litaba tsa paper ena le tsebe ho utloa. Ke kopile hore le fuoe copy.
Ke kopa hore le thole, Litho tse Khabane…
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ke kopile, Litho tse Khabane, hore Ushers li le fe copy ea Motion ono oo Morena a reng hase oona, empa e le oona oo a re fileng oona.
On issue number 2 ,The Motion of no confidence towards the house of the Senate
The Motion of no confidence phrase is mostly used in democratic governance where a member solicits support of the majority of members in an organisation to uninstall an authority from the position of power by a majority vote. By analogy therefore, the Motion is intended to abolish the Senate with the support of the majority vote or change the composition of the Senate.
The critical question then is whether this house has the power to abolish or change the House of Senate with a Motion of no confidence. The answer is in the nerative. This is so because the Senate is the creature of the Constitution per section 54 and 55 thereof.
There is no law in our legal framework that directly or by implication authorities or enables members of Senate to file a Motion of no confidence against the house. The only Motion of no confidence that can be filed in the House is that which is intended to remove the President or Vice President in terms of Section 61(3)€ and 62(4)€ respectively of the Constitution.
On the 08th March 2023 Hon, Joel Mots’oene filed another follow up Motion to that of the 13th February, 2023. The contents of the said Motion pointed out that it was just a follow up of the Motion filed on the 13th February 2023. He was making a plea that the Motion be tabled before the House for Deliberations. There is no Amendment proposed on the Motion but a follow up.
The issue of abolishing or changing the composition of the Senate can only be addressed by a referendum, not by the Motion proposed to the Senate. Furthermore, there are no provisions in our Standing Orders committee to be seized with the matter so that this shall not be a problem in future.
3. The matter to be debated before the Appropriation Bill
The other point of the Motion is to the effect that the Motion be debated before the passing of the Appropriation Bill. The passing of the said Bill is governed by Section 80 of the Constitution of Lesotho. This is a public business which must come before private business. Senate cannot be denied its Constitutional right to debate the Appropriate Bill. The Bill contains finances that shall be used by the entire Basotho Nation including members of this Honourable House. We, therefore, will not consider this because of the above mentioned reasons.
Based on the reasons advanced above, the said Motion is not Supported by any provisions of the law, thereby rendering it void same which I conclude.
Which implies Honourable Senators we cannot as the Motion is written, debate such a Motion because it is unconstitutional.
HON SENATOR J.A MOTS’OENE: Point of Order, Mohlomphehi.
Ha ke batle le ho kena litabeng tseno tseo u ntseng u re lahla ka tsona, kene ke mpa ke re na u utloa ekare, ( ke boela ke pheta hape, kea kholoa ke pheta lekhetlo la boraro)na ke toka hore ere Setho se seng ha se ntse se bua e be se seng sea se roahaka?
MADAM PRESIDENT: Ha se toka Setho se Khabane.
HON SENATOR J.A MOTS’OENE: ‘M’e, u utloile eaba ua thola ,Mohlomphehi! Hase le hore ke arabisana le uena, empa u thotse u le mono, u le Setulo, moo Melaoana e reng the proceedings in this House must run smoothly.Feela ha ho tla litaba tsa litlhapa, you just keep quite! Is it because ho na le taba e ngoe e etsahalang ka moo, Mohlomphehi ha etlameha hore e khalengoe?
Ke ho re ke bua ka taba e etsahetseng even previously hore na ebe u bona eka ke toka ?
E nkhopotsa taba e ngoe taba ena eo ke buang ka eona, e neng e etsahale ea Mohlomphehi e mong mehleng ea Paramente ea 9 kapa 10 – ‘me the President of the time o ne a etse confirm ka hore a bitse the members a khaleme taba eno. Empa ke bone hore u iphapanyelitse eona. I don’t know the reason but ke se ke entse qeto ea ka.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Setho se Khabane, ke rata ha ebile u re ke qeto ea hau! Ha ua etsa qeto e nepahetseng. Litho tse Khabane li ne li entse lerata ke leka ho li etsa call to order, Morena. Litaba tsa hore na mang u r’eng a lutse fats’e, ke ne ke entse concentrate on standing members eseng tse lutseng fatse, ‘me ha kea utloa ha a ntse a bua mahlapa kapa unparlimentary language, ke ne ke tla mo khalemela.
HON SENATOR J.A MOTS’OENE: Mohlomphehi, ke kopa ka moo ka recordings kamoo – ka lehlohonolo tsela eo a neng a hoelehelitse kateng le ka phone re entse tape taba eno re tla tla re u mamelisa eona.
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
HON SENATOR M. S. MAAMA: Kea leboha ,hle ,‘M’e.
’Kannete re soaba hoo re sa tsebeng hore na re ka r’eng , haholo ha litaba tsena li etsoa ke Ntlo e kholo hakana ea Mahosana eo le Ntlo eane e ka tlaase e lebelletseng mehlala ho eona.
Melomong ea bona, ‘Me’, ho tsoa litaba tse bohla. Ke re leha u ka halefa, empa re ntse re tlameha ho halefa re ntse re na le tlhompho ha re lebana le Setulo. Ke utloa ho ntse ho qotsoa taba ea hore ho ne hona le ea neng a roahakana! U lemohile hore ha ho ne ho buuoa ka litaba tsa mephato ho ne ho ntse hothoe na u bolotse, u tena u kena litaba tseo hoban’eng?
Le teng haeba e entsoe record e tla hlaha mono. Ke ne ke re kannete ha re le Baetapele kannete liketso tseo re lietsang nna ke bona li tlontlolla ka tsela e ts’osang. Ke hore ha li ts’oane le taba ea hore re Marena.
Ke hore kannete haeba e tlabe esale nako ena kaofela re eme ebile re sa behe litaba tsa rona ka tlhompho. Ha hona motho ea hanelang hore motho a hlaise litletlebo tsa hae, empa taba ke ho li beha ka tlhompho le boikokobetso ka pele ho Setulo. Kannete re soabile haholo, ‘me haeba le teng a batla ho theoleloa mapoqong , re theohelang kaofela, ha hona ntho e re sitisang.
Ke ne ke re, ‘Me,’ le uena u fuoe matla. Kannete re tla qeteletse re ea mono, hobane e tla re khannela ho ea mono. Ke ne ke re, Mohlomphehi, u fuoe matla, le uenau apesitsoe matla, re u file matla ka mona letsatsi le chabile. Ho ile hoa baloa li vote ua nna oa hlola ka mokhoa o ts’oanang .
U fuoe matla, sebelisa matla ao re u fileng ona . Haeba ho ntse ho eba le litaba tse ling tse ka thoko, haeba li le ka thoko ho Paramente, u nts’etse Setho ka ntle re tsebe ho tsoela pele ka mosebetsi, eseng lintho tsa papali.
Kea leboha.
HON SENATOR M.T MOHALE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Kea kholoa potso ea ka e ne e le hore, re bona ka pele ho Ntlo kajeno re balloa draft Motion, ‘me potso ea ka ke hore na ho latela Melao ea Paramente na ho nepahetse hore draft Motion e balloe ka pele ho Ntlo ena e Khabane?
Ke hobane li-Motion ke lintho tseo re phetseng ka tsona ka Senateng ka mona. Rea tseba hore ha re fane ka draft Motion hona le moo etla sebetsoa pele e ka tla ka mona ka hare ho Ntlo e Khabane. Potso ea ka ke hore na ho nepahetse hore a draft Motion e balloe ka pele ho Ntlo ena e Khabane na?
MADAM PRESIDENT: Morena Mohale, ha ho nepahale ha re fana ka li-draft Motion. Motion ona oa Morena oo ke neng ke nka e le Motion o Moholo haholo ke ile ka etsa boikhathatso ba hore ke mo bitse, hobane ke ne ke re ke eona final versioneo a e batlang, na o e utloisisa hantle; ke be ke mo tataise, hobane ha re fumana Motion ona, hobane e ne e le Motion o moholo, o bileng o nang le li-legal implications re ile ra batla boeletsi ho Attorney General.
‘Me ke ne ke tl’o mo fa feedback eo ke bile ke mo botsa litaba tsena. Morena o ikhethetse ho setle, a re ke mobitsa on corners ka phones. ‘me joale ha hona ntho e ‘ngoe e neng e re saletse.
Ha Ntlo e buloa o ne a batla Motion oa hae joang kapa joang o kene ka mona. Lea tseba hore na ho ile hoa etsahala joang mohlang re bulang mona. O ne a hana leha ke mo hlalosetsa hore Motion oa boemo bona ha o tlisoe ke nna feela, ke sa u potisa le haele Business committee; ‘me e ne e le ntoa e ts’abehang!
Ke ka hona ke neng ke re kea kholoa ha ke ngotse likarabo ke bile ke le bonts’itse hore na ha Morena tsatsing lena a latola Motion, Motion oa hae o ne o ngotsoe joang. Ke lona feela lebaka leo ke le fileng draft Motion oo, hobane Morena o re ha cho joalo, feela o chulo joalo on paper.
Kea leboha.
HON SENATOR R.P.L PEETE: Ke ne ke re, Mohlomphehi, ha ke bone eka ho kaba prudent, Mohlomphehi ,hore re haeba Morena ha a tla ofising ea hau, u mo bitsa ka phone ebe u ka qetella u fana ka sebopeho sa hore u mo ngalile. ‘Na ke ne ke nahana hore ho ne ho lokela hore ebe u entse all efforts tsa hore u thole u buile le eena ‘me le lokisitse taba ena.
Lebaka la ka ke hore, Ntate Joel e le mong’a Motion, o re ka hare ho Ntlo ena o kopane le Ntate Clerk a fana ka his intention ka Motion ona oa hae, a fana ka the spirit hore na o r’eng ka Motion ona oa hae, ‘me ke ne nka ka nka hore ha a bule le Ntate Clerk u buile le office e relevant.
Haeba o boleletse Ntate Clerk – ntle lehaeba Ntate Clerk a ka ema mona a re Morena Joel ha a s’o bue le eena. Empa Morena Joel o re ho rona re le Ntlo u buile le eena a mo fa hore na the spirit sa Motion ona ke ofeng. Eseng sena seo re seng re se balloa sa hore Morena o re ha a ts’epe Ntlo.
Le hore, ea bobeli Ntate o re ka hare ho Ntlo ena, ha a ne a re Motion ona o sebetsoe pele ho etsoa budget lebaka ke hobane a ne a bonts’a tlhompho ts’ebetsong eno ea budget. Joale a re mosebetsi ona oa Vote of No Confidence o o tlisitse purposely before hobane a ne a utloisisa hore a siele sebaka sa lichelete tlhompho, joale hona joale re utloa u re balla hore o tsoakantse litaba ‘me litaba tsena li ne li sa ts’oanela.
Ka tsela eno eo u e behileng e se sa lumellane le spirit seo Ntate Joel a buileng ka sona. Ono oo u re balletseng ona o molelele ha o amane le oa Ntate Joel oo a entseng Motion ona a ipapisitse le oona.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Morena oa ka, ha re le mosebetsing mona re nka se ngotsoeng, se tlisitsoeng ka pele ho rona. Bohato ba bobeli ke ba hore re bitse mong’a taba joale a tl’o hlalosa tsona litaba tsena tseo u li hlalosang, tseo eena a entseng deny such opportunity ea mofuta ona.
What was expected of me was hore ke tsoele pele ke etse mosebetsi oa Paramente; submit taba ena ho business committee e leng bona beng ba business e tlang ka hare ho Ntlo…
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HON SENETOR K.L.K THEKO: Kannete ke ne ke rata hore lebitsong la Ntlo ena, ke le Rasephali, ke etse kopo ea ts’oarelo ho sechaba sa Basotho esitana le Litho tsa rona tse fihlang.
Haesale ba kena ka Ntlong ena re tlakana, eleng hore ho phaka hoa rona le khalefo ea rona e fifalitse ts’obotsi ea ts’ebetso.
Ke mokhoa ona ke reng thapelong ea rona ea letsatsi le leng le le leng e bolela hore re lahlele hole le rona lithato tsa lipelo tsa rona, boikhomoso le boits’epi. Tsohle tseo re tla liphetha mona e be se tlotlisang lebitso la Morena le halalelang. Ene e tlaba a big chaos in any Parliament haeba re ne re sa tl’oba le Molao ona oa tsamaiso.
Ha re bula Ntlo ena the day ha re ne re e bula, ho ne ho sena a chance ea hore ebe business committee e lutse ea ngakurela mosebetsi ona kapa tlhahiso ena ea Morena.
Ka hona ke moetlo hore ebe re ile ra emela business committee e ngakurele tlhahiso ena. ‘Me tlhahiso ena eona le haeba hona le ntho eo ho thoeng ke spirit, empa eona ha e bonts’e that spirit seo mong’a eona a se bolelang.
Ke obane eona e re; Vote of no confidence towards the Senate. Honourable Senator had all the time in the world hore ebe o ile a tlisa Motion ona ha a se a elelletsoe hore o kopa ho tla tla tlisa this Motion hore o lokisoe. U entse boikhathatso ba ho mo bitsa ha a ka a etsa pitch up. Le maobane ha re ntse re lutse ka har’a business committee without Honourable Senators coming ho tla tla lokisa taba ena, joale a e behe hantle, a e beha hantle…
HON. SENATOR R. P. L. PEETE: Na, Ntate, u ka mpha potso?
HON. SENATOR K. L. K. THEKO: Ha ke etse potso, ke etsa Point of Order like you did. Ha ke na potso eo ke tla u fa eona ebile. Ekare, monna, u sa mpuise le ho mpuisa, u ngala le lijong re lutse tafoleng e le ‘ngoe ho bontša your bitterness! Jesus!
MADAM PRESIDENT: Order, Setho se Khabane!
HON. SENATOR K. L. K. THEKO: … joale ke tla u fa potso ea’ng?
Ke ho re ha esale a le bitter ha a ne a hloloa ke likhetho, a ntse a etsa encouragelintho tse tjena.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Order, Setho se Khabane! Bua ntlha ea hau.
HON. SENATOR K. L. K. THEKO: Anyway, ha a re “I hereby present a “MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE” towards or to the House of the Senate…” That would have walked well hoja o ile a ipha sebaka sa ho tla ho uena, Mohlomphehi, ha u ne u mo bitsa a tle a utloe. Joale e tolokuoe eka u bitsetsa Setho se Khabane lik’honeng ha u ne u re, ‘ha re tl’o lokisa ntho ena, hobane ntho ena ha e le tjena ha e balehe hantle’.
HON. SENATOR J. A. MOTŠOENE: Na u ka mpha potso, Morena oa ka?
HON. SENATOR K. L. K. THEKO: No, I won’t, Morena, ntšoarele! Le uena nke ke ka hlola ke u kopa potso. Haeba ho ne ho e-na le a good spirit ka taba ena – Spirit sena se buuoang ha se eo mona!
HON. SENATOR R. P. L. PEETE: U utloisisa’ng ka spirit?
HON. SENATOR K. L. K. THEKO: Ka seo u se utloisisang. You are one of the worst lawyers tse e-s’o eme le ka khotla haesale hothoe you are a lawyer…
MADAM PRESIDENT: Order!
HON. SENATOR K. L. K. THEKO: You are so pathetic. That is why you didn’t even – ha ua tseba le ho eletsa motho enoa oa hau.
HON. SENATOR R. P. L. PEETE: Mo khalemele, ke tle ke se ke ka tloha ka mo araba ka tsela e sa nepahalang, hobane kea mo hlompha. Ak’u mo khalemele ke tle ke se ke ka mo araba ka tsela eo ke e ratang feela. Ke Akhente, o kile a mpona ka khotla? O sebetsa makhotleng afe?
HON. SENATOR K. L. K. THEKO: Araba ka mokhoa oo u ka arabang kateng, moshanyana oa haeso! U sa le ngoana, u le tanfi, moshanyana oa haeso! Ke tla u bolella hore na ke sebetsa makhotleng afe.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Setho se Khabane Morena oa Matšekha, ke ne ke kopa u lule fatše, re se ke ra arabisanang.
Setho se Khabane Ntate Motsamai o kopile hore re mpe re mamelaneng, re sebeliseng tsamaiso ea Ntlo ena, ‘me a bile a qotsa Standing Order hore re se ke ra ema, ra kena-kenana. Le bona ba na le thahasello ea ho etsa input, joale ha ba utloe hobane ho kena-kenanoa ka litaba, ba sitoa ho etsa follow litaba tsena.
HON. SENATOR K. L. K. THEKO: Ha mong’a Tlhahiso a re ho na le ‘irregularities’ – hana ke life? Irregularities tse hlotsoeng ho hlahella mohlang re etsang the abnormality ea hore re tl’o bula mabokose. Re entse abnormality re leka ho khotsofatsa beng ba pelaelo ea hore e ka ‘na eaba likhetho ha lia tsamaea hantle.
Seo ke se kopang ho Morena oa ka ke ho re a khutlele morao a e’o ngola tlhahiso ena hantle. Mapesela kea kholoa o ile a etsa ha hlano ka mane a ntse a hloleha.
HON. SENATOR J. A. MOTŠOENE: Ke mosebetsi oa Clerk hore a lokise litlhahiso.
HON. SENATOR K. L. K. THEKO: No, e tla etsahala feela ha e le uena mong’a eona ea laelang…
MADAM PRESIDENT: Litho tse Khabane, ke kopa le se ke la arabisana.
Setho se Khabane Morena oa Thaba-Bosiu, ke kopa u qetele.
HON. SENATOR K. L. K. THEKO: Kea kholoa ntho e kholo mona ke ho re Morena oa ka a lokise tlhahiso, a tle a e etse re-submit, re tle re e qoqe, hobane le rona re e khalletse.
HON. SENATOR J. A. MOTŠOENE: Ke entse joalo, Ntate.
HON. SENATOR K. L. K. THEKO: Ha ua etsa joalo. Ak’u thole, hle!
HON. SENATOR J. A. MOTŠOENE: Ka ’nete ke entse joalo. Botsa Mr. Clerk ke eno pel’a hao.
HON. SENATOR K. L. K. THEKO: Thola, hle, Morena oa Leribe! Ke tla ‘motsa, Morena.
Che, ke ne ke re ke khotsofatse Morena oa ka oa Leribe. Ke tla ‘motsa, Morena.
Taba ea ‘certain irregularities’ e tla hlahella ha re tl’o bua ka tlhahiso ena. Ka ‘nete Morena oa ka ke se ke mo kopa hore a se ke a mpa a lahla tlhahiso ena forever. Morena ha a tle a tl’o lula fatše le Mr. Clerk ba shebisane tlhahiso ena. Ba re ‘the wording was not correct’ ka hona re batla ho tsoela-pele ka ‘Motion of no confidence’.
Boitlhaloso le ho bala hoa Attorney-General bo bone hore tlhahiso ena ha e na moelelo ka hore, e re ‘towards or to the House of Senate’. Ha e cho joalo feela e sentse litaba tsa Morena. Kea tseba hore Morena o tseba ho bala, a ka be a e bone hoja ene e le ka taba eno, e ile ea mpa eaba ho etsa ntho ka khalefo e u timang monyetla oa hore u etse ntho e bonahalang.
Ka hona ke ne ke re, Mohlomphehi, ‘na ke aka litaba tsena hore Morena oa ka oa Linare a etse taba ena. Leha re utloa, che, ka manyela-koaeng hore o ntse a re ho botsoe semanya-manyane, ho se ke hoa botsoa eena. That shows how pathetic that thing is. Empa re tla e fa nako, re tle re e talime hore na e tsamaea joang.
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
HON. SENATOR M. KANETSI: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi. Ka ‘nete ke leboha sebaka sena.
Re mametse litaba tsena ka hloko. Re ne re utloisisa hore letsatsing lena re tla etsa progress, empa hee ha hoa ba joalo.
Ke ne ke re, Morena oa ka oa Leribe Ntate hoja o ile a ipha monyetla oa ho mamela response ena hore ehlile e tl’o fana ka monyetla oa hore Morena a tle a lokise moo ebang ho ile hoa etsahala liphoso. Re ka be re qetile taba ena, ra ba ra fetela ho mosebetsi o neng o hlophetsoe letsatsi la kajeno.
Ha re ne re le ka mona maoba re ile ra utloa hore Morena oa Leribe o ile a bitsetsoa Ofising, ‘me ha a ka ba a ea. E leng hore Ofising mane ene e le moo Morena a il’o supisoa hore mohlomong liphoso tse itseng a e’o li lokisa, joale…
HON. SENATOR J. A. MOTŠOENE: Ke kopa potso.
HON. SENATOR M. KANETSI: Ke kopa ke se ke ka mofa potso, Mohlomphehi.
Joale ebe litaba tseo li lokisitsoe, ebe tlhahiso ea lokisoa.
Rona ha re fihla ka mona re fuoe mosebetsi o lokelang ho etsoa oa letsatsi, o kopana le tlhahiso ena, o ntse o le tjena. Ho ile hoa ba le bothata bono ba hore ebe o qetelletse o sa baloa, joale Ofisi kapa Setulo se e’o batla boeletsi ho Attorney-General. Eena a hlalosa hore mokhoa oo tlhahiso e leng ka oona o unconstitutional. E leng hore re tla be re sa ikeletse hantle haeba re ka tsoela-pele ka litaba tseo hothoeng li-unconstitutional. Ene e ka ba hantle hoja Morena o mametse, hobane qetellong mane ho ne hothoe a tle a khutle a e’o lokisa tlhahiso e tle e tsebe ho ba constitutional, joale e tle e tsebe ho latela methati e nepahetseng ea taba ena, e le hore re tsebe ho tsoela-pele ka mosebetsi oa letsatsi.
Tlhahiso ena ha e-ea qhaloa;– e qhaluoe hobane ha e-ea nepahala ka mokhoa oo e behiloeng kateng. Ha re lumeleng hore ha e sa nepahala, re e’o lokisa.
HON. SENATOR J. A. MOTŠOENE: Setho se Khabane se mpa se hana ho mpha potso.
HON. SENATOR M. KANETSI: Ehlile ha ke tl’o fa Morena oa ka potso pele ke qeta, hobane khale a fuoe sebaka se sengata, ebile a se a ntse a ile a itlhalosa.
Ke ne ke re spirit sa tlhahiso sea utloahala hore ekare tlhahiso ea ho hloka tšepo ene e le ho Molula-Setulo, e leng Madam President le Vice-President ea hae, empa phoso e etsahetseng ea ha Morena a ngola, o itse ho Ntlo ea Senate. Ha e le joalo it renders Motion ona as unconstitutional.
Ka kopo e khethehileng ekare Morena oa Leribe a ka ea lokisa tlhahiso ena, e le hore kamoso re tl’o sala litaba tse tjena morao.
Kea leboha.
HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: ‘M’e President, kea bona ha litaba li ntse li ba matla, mabitso u tla be u a lebale. Ka ‘nete ke ne ke ile ka rata hore ebe ke ile ka kena pele ho Setho se Khabane ‘M’e Kanetsi tabeng eo ke neng ke se ke ntse ke e nka lintlheng.
Har’a lintlha tse ngata tseo Morena oa Thaba-Bosiu a neng a buile ka tsona, ke qotsitse e kholo ena ea hore ho koptjoe kapa qeto ebe hore ho e’o shejoa tlhahiso hape-hape. Ke ho re e e’o etsoa re-submit, ho lokisoe taba ena e bonahalang Business Committee e e hlokometse.
Ke ne nka re ke tlatsa maikutlo a hore ha ho khutloe ho e’o lokisoa taba eo, ‘me e e’o lokisoa ka li-channel tse nepahetseng. Ke utloile ho hlahisoa tseo Morena oa Leribe a li utloisisang ka hore o lokela a ee ho Clerk, le kae, le kae…
HON. SENATOR S. M. G. MASUPHA: U ka mpha potso, Setho se Khabane?
Potso ea ka ke ea ho re na ho lokisoa ha tlhahiso ena – kamor’a hore e lokisoe, uena Setho se Khabane, u ne u ka bona eka e lokela e fetele hokae? Na e fetela ho President kapa e fetela ho Tafole na?
HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Tsamaiso ha ke re e hlakisitsoe ke Standing Order? Ha re lateleng li-Standing Order na li re’ng. Ha re li nkeng by letter of it. Ha re tsoeleng-pele ka Standing Orders.
Ke nahana ke e arabile, Ntate.
Ea bobeli ene e le mane moo ke neng ke ntse ke le hona teng, ha ke re kea tlatsa. Ka ‘nete ke tlatsa ka ho re taba ena ha e khutle e e’o shejoa.
Ke be ke etse thapeli ho rona re le Litho tse ka mona hore ha re buisanang, re bua taba, re bueng ka sekhahla, feela ka tlhomphano. Re bue ka matla, feela re etse joalo, motho a ntse a tseba hore o bua le motho e mong ea ka ‘nang a ba le maikutlo a khalefo joalo ka uena.
Ke ne ke sheba lintlha tsena ka tsela eno eo ke neng ke rata hore ha re ka li etsang, Bahaeso, ha re beng sekhahla. Ke rata hore re be sekhahla. Teng Ntlo ena eona ha e-ea tšoanela e fetohe kereke. Ha re beng sekhahla ka litaba, feela ka litaba tse re fang mokhoa oo re ka tsebang ho bua litaba ka oona. Ke utloa eka ‘na e tla re thusa.
HON. SENATOR J. A. MOTŠOENE: Ke kopa potso.
Ka uena, Mohlomphehi, Setho se Khabane ke utloa se bua litaba tsa bohlokoa. Kea kholoa ke ne ke mpa ke rata ho botsa Setho se Khabane hore na khato ena eo ke e fang Setulo hore ke e nkile, ka ea ho Ntate Clerk, ka fihla ka etsa submit Motion – na hase mosebetsi oa hae to peruse the Motion, a o etse correct, then a o khutlisetse ho ‘na ke o saene hape, ka uena, Mohlomphehi, joale o tle o tsebe ho kena ka Ntlong ka qeto ea hau u le Setulo na?
HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Ke se ke ile ka e araba, ka ‘nete Morena oa ka. Ke ile ka re ha re lateleng ho ea ka hore na litokomane tse re tataisang na li re’ng. Ha re etse joalo, le hore ha a tla le oona, a be a u bontše oona hore o o tekene hape. Haeba ha ua o tekena, ke ho bolela hore e ka ‘na eaba ho bile le ho se utloisisane lipakeng tsa lona le le babeli, ha u sa o tekena.
Ha e tle e na le matšoao ‘ohle, e se ka ba le tseo eseng tsa teng.
Kea kholoa ke batla ke arabile ha ke chulo joalo.
Ka ho cho joalo ka ‘nete, ‘M’e President, ke ne ke kopa, hle, ‘M’e, hore haeba ke ntho e ka lumellehang hore re hateleng pele ka tšebetso ea letsatsi.
Kea leboha, ‘M’e.
HON. SENATOR M. M. MOSHOESHOE: Kea leboha, ‘M’e. Ke ema le ‘na ka Ntlha ea Tsamaiso hore na hoa nepahala hore ha Setulo se qetile ho etsa ruling, ebe joale rea e qoqa? U se u entse ruling, ‘M’e, ak’u re tataise, hobane joale ha re ntse re etsa liphoso holim’a tse ling ha re na ho qeta.
Hape ke re, Mohlomphehi oa ka, ke kopa taba ena re hle re e bue e tsebe ho fela, hobane re na le litlhahiso le rona tseo re batlang li kene. So, ha ena e sa fete, u sa re fe a way forward, re tla ‘ne re bilike nq’a e le ‘ngoe.
Kea leboha, ‘M’e.
HON. SENATOR R. P. L. PEETE: Ke kopa potso.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Setho se Khabane Morena oa ka oa Matšekha, ua tseba u ile ua bua ka nepo hore ha re qeta ho bala taba ee re ne re sa e tšetšethe. Empa ‘na ke ile ka nka hore ho na le litlhalosetsano tseo le neng le li etsetsana; ha le etse debate the ruling as such. Ke utloile ha ngata ha le ntse le hlalosetsana hore e re tjena, e re le fuoa monyetla, joalo-joalo.
Joale ke ne ke kopa hore re etse khatelo-pelo. Ke u fa u le oa ho qetela on this issue.
HON. SENATOR R. P. L. PEETE: Kea leboha, ‘M’e. Ke ne ke re ka ‘nete molemong oa record, ke utloa eka e ka ‘na eaba joale ka ha re le batho, mohlomong re sa lekane, le kutloisiso ea rona re ke ke ra utloisisa ka nako e tšoanang.
‘Na ke utloa hantle ha Morena oa ka oa Leribe – leha taba ena ke utloa eka re ntse re e pota ka thoko, ha Morena oa Leribe a re o ile ho Office ea Clerk.
Haeba o ile Ofising ea Mr. Clerk hore… (ke utloa ba re, joo!)
MADAM PRESIDENT: Ke ho re u se ke ua pheta litaba tsena…
HON. SENATOR R.P.L. PEETE: ..ok. Hona tjee ha a se a il’o o lokisa, a iketsetse oona alone and then a etse joang?
Ke hobane ke ne ke utloa ‘na tlhalosong ea hae a ntse a re ke ile Ofising ea Mr. Clerk hore re lokise, ‘me re etse polish draft ena, a be a e tekenele e le hore ha e tla kahar’a Ntlo ena e be e se draft.
Morena oa ka oa Tajane o botsa the very same question, eo le ka eona ke ntseng ke sa fumane tlhakisetso e ntle – molemong oa record e tle e se ke ea hlaha e ka re ntse re iketsetsa lintho tse sa hlakang.
Morena o re, ‘ke ile ho Clerk eaba re re rea lokisa’ joale re lokisitse le Clerk’. Joale taba ena ‘na ke utloa eka e fokolisa Ofisi ea Mr. Clerk hore Mr. Clerk o entse mosebetsi le Morena, e leng mong’a Motion, feela o hlaha o ntse o sa phethahala. Taba ena e fokolisa Ofisi ea Mr. Clerk hore na ha Ntate a tlile ho eena, joale ba lokisitse, hoban’eng o ntse o hlaha o fosahetse!
Taba ena ka ‘nete le eona e etsa hore re tle re ipotse hore na athe re sebelletsoa joang na!
MADAM PRESIDENT: Letona le Khabane Ntate, ke ne ke kopa u k’u tsoele-pele ka Statement se sekhuts’oanyane seo u neng u rerile ho tla se etsa kajeno.
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MADAM PRESIDENT: Re soabile kea bona u se u bile u khoehla mangoele, Honourable Minister. Ka ‘nete, kea hlokomela.
HON. SENATOR M.N. MOTEANE (MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS): Kea leboha, ‘M’e President.
Ka ‘nete kajeno rea ithuta monate oa ho ba ka Ntlong ena ea Senate, ho utloa Masenate a bua litaba. Re ile ra itlhalosa ha re ne re fihla mona hore kaha re konyana tsa monongoaha, le tle le re tataise, re tla tataea!
Kajeno ke ne ke kopa ho bala Statement, seo Lekala la haeso le se entseng ka taba eo esalang re kolota Ntlo ena re le Lekala ka nako e telele. Statement sena se re feela ka ‘nete re tlile re le ‘Muso ho tla lefa melato leha ebile nako e telele ea melato ena.
Therefore Honourable Senators, let me start by observing that today marks an important event on the commitment we have made as a Government to deliver services to all sections of Basotho Nation.
What we are about to do today some will see as an insignificant act. In fact, I am a precocious follower of Facebook, and I looked at Facebook when they said, “mona ho bapaloa ka rona hore e be Letona le tla Paramenteng ho fana ka number plates’.
Is itnot because it is small things, that ultimately become bigger!
I am collegially known as the Minister of potholes. There is something fishy about potholes that’s a bit weird like cancer. It starts off as a small thing, and if you don’t attend to it, it grows to the size of a big bath tub in the middle of the road. Because a road is a synonym of life, it serves as a reminder that if we don’t do things that we have promised to do over time, we get customed to making promises that are not fulfilled.
So, I beg those of you, who see this as an insignificant event to understand that it is a very significant event atthat. It represents the commitment, and determination of honouring the promises made.It represents a shift in the state of mind and preparedness to correct things, of yesterday, even if you didn’t do them.
It provides assurance that tomorrow will be better than yesterday.
All countries in the world issue different types of number plates for different categories of people; Be it diplomatic, official, protocol or whatever is decided for the ordinary citizens.
Lesotho as a member of SADC, is required by agreements to ensure that its citizens carry the types and formats of number plates that will enable movement across countries.
The Law of the Kingdom, prescribes the type and the format of what we call number plates; what in the Law is called vehicle identification number. The Law also prescribes who can use this type, why and for what purposes.
Honourable Members of the Senate, today we are issuing what we term Protocol Number Plates(PNP). This is a very important symbol in terms of the rights you have, of Privilege. It says if you bear that particular number plate, the Law Enforcement Agencies have to accord you the Protocol you deserve.
With your permission, Madam President, let me observe that during the summer Christmas Campaign we ran, on safety, where we attempted to stop all vehicles to determine speed, drunkenness and all other matter of things. The strategy is to stop everybody! In presumption of that, we infringed upon the Privileges of those who have been granted Privileges in terms of the Constitution.
The reason, we perpetuate that is sometimes because our Law Enforcement Agencies don’t know what the privileged members deserve. Therefore, we have to produce the number plates that are appropriate so that you can be accorded free movement in terms of your said Privileges.
I, of course, observe that Senior Principal Chiefs already bear enough-respect in the community that, Law Enforcement Agencies sometimes don’t even bother to stop them.
From time to time, I have learned that my Principal Chief likes to stop on the road blocks so that he can have a chat with Law Enforcers tocheck that they are doing their work , e.t.c. (laughter)
So, it is in this spirit that we are issuing these number plates.
We, also like to thank your abhorrence and patience because when my predecessors were tempted to issue this erroneous number plates, this House objected to it, on a clear observation that the icon used was that of a royal standard, and not the emblem that we are using. That led to a position where everyone’s number plates that were erroneously issued were recalled and, that was subsequently re-issued.
So, to the people that corrected this in the first place, these are the number plates you shall bear.
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For the life of the Eleventh Parliament, you shall bear these.
There are Regulations that relate to these.
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There are Regulations that relate to these.
Ke kopa ho bala, ‘M’e, mahlo ana a se a hana; ke kopa u atametse pampiri ena pel’a ka.
So, there are Regulations to these.
The Principal Chiefs will, of course, permanently keep these plates that are sitting in the House.
For us who visit every 5 years – the members that have to leave the House when 5 years is over (laughter) were experiencing the difficulties with the House on top of the hill there. Well, we are struggling to get the number plates, so, we will change the strategy for that and make sure that it says you are a member of a certain Constituency in the Eleventh Parliament. That is, even if you don’t return it once the 12th Parliament is in place, which I hope it will be after 5 years, we will know how to retrace the numbers.
So, for these Administration, I again reiterate this is a small major to say let’s return to normality, let’s do things the right way. From here, we will deal with the House of the Representatives and concurrently we will return the issuance of number plates to the citizens.
It will be a remix of me, not to explain why it took so long. It took so long perhaps because we have had financial challenges which simply means paying the service providers that print the number plates for us. We have made sure that they are fully paid so that they don’t have a reason to hold the production of number plates for all Basotho.
KHOTSO! PULA! NALA!
MADAM PRESIDENT: Rea leboha, Letona le Khabane, Honourable Senator Minister.
Litho tse Khabane, ho na le pampiri eo le tla e fuoa ea Tsítsínyo e Potlakileng mono, e sa butsoang ho latela Standing Order 31(1), ‘me re e kopela ho lona Litho ho sebelisa Standing Order 31(3) hore e fane ka tumello ea hore re e bue.
HON.SENATOR P.S. MATHEALIRA (POTSO): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Ka uena ke kopa ho botsa Mohlomphehi Letona potso feela ena eo ke utloang eka ha kea hlakeloa.
Na, Mohlomphehi, ofising ea hao ho fihlile tlhokomelong ea hau hore u tena u nts’u sokola li number plate – m li khutlile tje hobane re ne re itefeletse tsona? Ha se Lekala la Paramente le neng le re lefelletse, joale re utloisisa eka ha re li khutlisa re tsóanela ho fumana li M400 tsa rona?
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
HON. SENATOR J.A. MOTSÓENE: Ke mpa ke na le Ntlha ea Tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi! Kea leboha.
Ke kopa potsong ena ea ka u tl’ nkutloe hantle u tle u se ke oa nkutloella!
Ke fa Ntate Clerk..
MADAM PRESIDENT: Ke kopa ho u tima, Ntate, lula fat’se.
HON. SENATOR J.A. MOTSÓENE: Ha ua nkutloa, Mohlomphehi, kannete ke kopa u ‘mamele! Ua tseba taba ee hase taba eo u e nahanang?
MADAM PRESIDENT: Ae! Mohlomphehi, kannete Ke kopa ho u tima, Ntate, lula fat’se, re tla mpe re e bue kamorao ho ena re ke re lumelle letona le tsoele pele.
HON. SENATOR S.B. SEEISO: ‘Mé Madam President, I rise to ask whether it is in order to allow the House to say a few words on the Statement just given by the Minister? That is point one.
Secondly, I don’t think Tafole has afforded us this copy of yours of your ruling statement!
Ke kopa re fuoe monyetla, haeba it is in order, hore re ke re ananele le ho aka taba ena eo Ntate Letona a qetang ho e etsa.
Matsohong a rona, haeba it is in order, ke hore re ke re fuoe Copy ea Ruling ea hao ea hoseng tjena, Madam President.
On the point ea ho aka taba ea statement sa Letona le Khabane, kea kholoa ke sa tl’o boela ke bua, o tla imamella hore a lokise ka pele hore re be le personalized number plates eseng ena ea 001 Senate. A1 e se e ntse e le teng; ha re hloke e ‘ngoe.
HON. SENATOR: Ke kopa ke se hlole ke bua; Ntate o se a buile litaba tsa ka, kea leboha.
HON. SENATOR K.L.K. THEKO: Mohlomphehi, ke ne ke reho Honourable Minister ke bona taba ea bohlokoa eo Ntate Mantata a e buang, joale ke re e ka ba bohlale hore ke mamielle seo ke nang le sona ka maikutlo a hore na ha the Officers of Law li mpelaella hore e ka ba ke na le nku ea bosholu ka koloing, hakere ba na le tumello ea hore ba ke ba nkemise ho re, ‘Morena, re bona eka ka buting ka mona hona le ntho e ntse raha-raha, na e be e na le mabeisi na?’
Re tle re utloe hore na e be u e talimme ka tsela efe,hobane ho na le batho ba sebelisang matla a bona hampe; you empower me until ‘na ke tla sebetsa joale ka sechaba sa Basotho feela se re fileng hore re Marena, re li Senators, joale e be re tla tsoa mono re sebelisa kaparo eo.
Moo ka li-number plate what do they do ha ba belaela ka ‘na Khoabane ea tsoang ka koana ka haeso ka Ha-Rapokolane?
HON. MINISTER N.M. MOTEANE: Kea leboha, Madam President ka lipotso tsena tseo ke li botsitsoeng.
Ke kopa hore ke hle ke phete kapa ke qotse moo ke neng ke ntse ke bua hore, ‘’members of the Senate are granted specific privileges. In terms of those privileges they are entitled to free movement and are free of being stopped’.
Maybe this privileges, as I understand them, are based on certain conditionalities and if those conditionalities do not exist then those will be taken into consideration’’.
Ea linku kannete tse lutseng ka buting ke ea mapolesa, Ntate Lebona oa tla e araba, but let’s take the obvious one in my field: Morena oa Thaba –Bosiu o theoha ka Ha Makhoathi at 300k/h and my speed camera picks up then that is the case. What thenwill have to come into consideration includes, at that particular moment and time, that he is a danger to other motorists.
All privileges are granted on the basis that those who enjoy them will act lawfully and reasonably and in the interest of public safety.
Kea leboha, ‘Mé.
The other question is around a misunderstanding of why people are reluctant to return number plates, because they have paid for them and so on and so forth. I think we need to do more public education around this matter. Re tla e nka mofao! Luckily my officials, including the traffic commissioner, are in the House today so we shall ensure t our education around this issue as it is important.
Bo-‘M’e le bo-Ntate, hle! We cannot take it for granted that because we have been issued appropriate number plates all will run smoothly if we do not spend time to educate ourselves around the whole lot of issues, including the privileges of officials and members of this House.
Kea leboha.
Oh! On the issue of personalising the number plates – number plates fall under the categories of ordinary plates and the personalised number plates and so as the regulations relating to those are in progress – now personalised number plates will not give you privileges.
I don’t know of a greater honour than being a Senator! However, there will be a room in the legislation for personalised number plates so that Morena oa Mokhotlong will carry 001J if he wants to, as a personalised number plate e tla mo tsoela molemo feela ha a le Mokhotlong moo a nang le li-privilege.
Kea leboha.
HON. SENATOR T. M. MOHALE:Kea leboha, hle, Madam President.
Ke be ke ake mosebetsi ona oa hao, Ntate Moteane, oa ho fa Basotho tsépo hore litaba tseo le ileng la li tsépisa ke tsena lia phethahala. Ka ho otloloha Lekala la hao ka ‘nete ke Lekala le elang seli basebeletsi ba sechaba. U ile oa bonts’a hore ho ile hoa ba le phoso litabeng tsa Code of Arms ‘me la ipha tsebe la fetola Code of Arms ho fihlella mona moo re leng teng.
Le tabeng ea Palace e nang le lilemo tse fetang leshome le metso o mong Palace e ntse e teta, rea leboha ,ntate, rea bona taba eo o e nketse hloko haholo.
Ka Ntlo ea Senate rea bona ehlile u tiisitse; leha ú ka ea hae u sebelitse, u qetile…
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U entse mesebetsi eo kannete Basotho ba neng ba se ba hloka tsépo Lekaleng la hau ka lebaka la eona, ‘me re ne re re le ena ea Iveco ha u ka e sebetsa hantle ka mokhoa o nepahetseng, hore thepa eo ea sechaba e ‘Muso o e rekileng e sebetse hantle molemong oa mathata ana ao re nang le ‘ona li tseleng…
Kea leboha.
HON. SENATOR K.L.K. THEKO: Morena oa Tajane Ntate Matjato Motaung e motle, u khutletse taba ena ka hobane mohlomong batho ba bang ha ba utloisisi, empa ka budget re utloile hore Ntlo ea Morena e moholo Rabasotho Motlotlehi Letsie III e tla loka hoba e entsoe mentioned in the budget. Re utloile hape hore le Ntlo ea Senate e tla loka, ‘me o le Letona la Motlotlehi tlas’a folakha ea Moruo kannete rea u leboha le ho lebohela hore u qaqapolotse litaba.
Lea tseba hore Ntlo ea Motlotlehi e ile ea hahoa pele ho ea Tona-Kholo e ncha, empa ea etsoa eaba ea fela! What made matters worse – che, kea tseba hore uena u ra meralo le ka profession ha ke tsebe ntho e neng e etsa hore- except hore batho ba ne ba itjella chelete hore, ho ile ha heletsoa ntlo eno ea khale. Ha ke ntse ke batla ke fumana hore hothoe ho ne ho se ho na le metsi a monyetseng ka har’a ntlo, joalo-joalo.
Joale feela ha hona ntho e re thlontlollotseng lilemo moo Motlotlehi a tla amohela lihlooho tsa linaha le batho bohle kahar’a ntlo eno ea polata e neng e le ea Manyesemane ha a sa re busa. E leng ho re mona Maseru moo a lokelang ho etsetsoa_ka ‘nete mebuso e fetileng e re telletse habohloko ka ho mo tella.
Ka hona ke re, mor’a Pheta Ntate, u buile litaba tsa bohlokoa haholo. Rea u paka, Ntate, ha u re taba eo ea Ntlo ea Senate-empa le the Palace re ile ra etsetsoa mathata a ts’abehang. Ka hona, hee, Ntate, re tlameha re u boloke, re u boke re be re u opele liatla haholo! Ke u kopela tsona hore u entse mesebetsi e meholo – the House of Senate le Ntlo ea Motlotlehi Khosi! Kea leboha Ntate.
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HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Ka ‘nete ke ne ke re, ‘M’e President, le ‘na ke ake litaba tse ntle tsena. Ha ke li ake feela, ke hobane ke re ke hore ha motho a ile a etsa hantle qalong u mo ekeletse mosebetsi e le hore nako ena kaofela a lule a sebetsa.
Ntate, ho ntse ho na le selatsa sa hau pele u kena mona moo u keneng teng, ‘me selatsa sena u tle u ke u iphe nako ea sona ka mane ka Sehlaba-Thebe. Taba eane ea Ntlo eane e ka Sehlaba-Thebe ka mane eo e neng e le ea Motlotlehi ekasitana le Ntate Tona-Kholo – taba eno, Ntate, ak’u il’o e nahana le bohlanka ba hau, hobane e ntle haholo ebile e na le melemo.
U ntse u tseba hore ka nako e ‘ngoe ha re sa batle ho bona Ntate Maseru mona re ‘mone koana. ke taba ea bohlokoa haholo eno, hobane Morena oa Thaba taba ena ea hore o se a itsebela mona Thaba-Bosiu ka ‘nete ha e ntle, ho ts’oanela a ‘ne a tsebe hore na Matelile ho joang, Ha Makhaola koana ho joang, hobane oa Ha Makhaola Morena ke se ke ntse ke tl’o tsamaea le eena hona joale. Eena ke se ntse ke tl’o mo hula re lokise litaba tsena.
Kea kholoa le ‘na empa e le ho amohela le hore ha ho sebetsoa litaba tsena ha ho ile hoa tlhohloroa lerole moo lintho li sa tsamaeeng, ha li tsamaea ha re leboheng re be re re li ate likhomo, Ntate! Ha ho nne ho sebetsoe moo le filoeng ts’ebetso hona teng.
Kea leboha ka maikutlo ano.
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MADAM PRESIDENT: Rea leboha, ebile rea u lebohela, Letona! Ha Litho tse Khabane batho ba baholo hakana ba ntse ba u paka u tsebe u ntse u fumana li-point ho Tona-kholo, ‘me ha ho na mohlang a tla reo u etsa reshuffle .
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Ba se ba u buelletse ka ha u le one of them.
Re kopa u tsoelepele, Letona le Khabane, pampiring eane ea Litho tse Khabane.
Question put, and agreed to.
PROCEEDING ON SUBSTANTIVE MOTIONS AND BILLS
MOTIONS
5. RESTITUTION OF SENATE BUSINESS
HON. SENATOR N. M. MOTEANE: Madam President, I thank you. In adherance to this Honourable House of the Senate,
this Honourable Senate resolves to suspend Standing Order No. 103(1) which reads as thus:
“(1) At the dissolution or prorogation of Parliament all proceedings then pending shall terminate and lapse.”
And further that this Honourable Senate resolves to evoke Standing Order No. 100(1)(b) which stipulates that:-
In a matter not provided for in these Standing Orders, and in any case of doubt, the President shall:-
(b) Frame and determine a Standing Order until a Standing Order for that matter has been adopted in accordance with Standing Order No. 92(3) (Standing Orders and Staff).
Lastly, this Honourable Senate resolves to adopt this temporary Standing Order to enable restitution of Senate Business and “that the Senate shall resuscitate and consider the following Bills;
- The Tax Administration Bill, 2022
- Protection and Administration of Custom at Initiation Schools Bill, 2022
- Biodiversity Resources Management Bill, 2022
- Public Financial Management and Accountability Bill, 2022
- Rangeland Resources Management Bill, 2021
- Income Tax (Amendment) Bill, 2021.
Kea leboha, ‘M’e.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Ke kopa a tlatsang Letona.
HON. SENATOR K. L. K. THEKO: Mohlomphehi, ke ntho e qabolang ea neheletsano ea taba lipusong, hobane mohlomong re ne re kanna ra ba le mathata le ho amohela phetiso esitana le phahamiso ea Melao ena e ileng ea siuoa ke nako pele ho likhetho le ka morao hore mohlomong ho uoe keresemeseng. Pele ho likhetho Melao ena e ile ea oela ka lebaka la hore joale Paramente e ne e koaloa. Ka hona resuscitation is very necessary, kelello e re neha joalo hore re lokise lintho tse neng li sa loka hohang, kapa li tsosolosoe hobane li ile tsa siuoa ke nako.
Normally, taba ena e re eke re ka be re li lahlela ka thoko, Ntate Motsamai, joalo ka ha u tl’o tla u tsamaisa litaba tsa Molao kapa tsa Melao e tla tla e kena ka har’a naha ena hore we should suspend 103 in order to enable resuscitation of the laws that have fallen off during the last sitting or term before elections.
Ka hona ke aka taba ena ea hau, Honourable Minster, hore it is only prudent indeed hore re etse joalo molemong oa ho lokisa Melao ena e mekana-kana e ts’eletseng kaofela e ka oang haeba re ka beha this 103 in place joale re re e ts’iruoe le eona 100(1) (b) e neng e bonts’a hore litaba tsena li ka behelloa ka thoko, especially in the case of doubt the President will frame and determine for this Standing Orders and in any case of doubt, the President shall, of course, frame!
Lastly, Honourable Senate resolves to adopt temporary Standing Order to enable this resolution of this Senate Business.
Hoa hopoleha hore ka nakonyana e fetileng re ile ra ‘na ra etsa mesebetsi e tjena ka nako eane e kang ea ‘kotopo’ to suspend the working or the order e ntse e le in place joale re e behella ka thoko ka matla ano ho latela Standing Order 100 seo se ileng sa re lumella hore le ‘kotopo’ e tsoele pele.
Hee! Kotopo e ile ea hlouoa haholo ha ke tsebe haeba Ntate PS u ntse a e hopola hore e ile ea etsoa joalo! Batho ba bangata ba batla re e etse resuscitate again but I don’t think they will be prepared to do that. Empa taba e kholo, Mohlomphehi, ke hore joale re lokisetsa ts’ebetso e nepahetseng ea molao ona ho ea pele hore e tle e tsebe ho phela hore re tle re etse resuscistate molemong oa sechaba.
- It is not for Government, is not for us, but the Government ke eona e tsebang ho etsa enable hore lintho li sebetse. Ka hona re leboha ts’ebetso ena, Mohlomphehi.
- Ke tlatsa Letona le Khabane hore we should fall into place re etse mosebetsi ona o sebetsehe, o be motle, khotso!
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Question proposed.
HON. SENATOR L. M. SEEISO: ‘Na ha u mpitse ka lebitso, Madam President?
Kea leboha, ‘M’e President.
Ke ne ke batla ho botsa ‘M’e President – joaloka rona ba bacha ba sa tsebeng hantle Tsamaiso- (MADAM PRESIDENT-Empa ha u mocha?) hao! Lilemo tse pelinyana ,‘M’ e President, ha u s’o nkise le initiation hore ke rutoe Melao ea Senate hantle.
Ke ne ke botsa hore na –so, the normal practice ke utloa eka ke hore melao ha session ea Senate e felile kapa ea Paramente e felile ho qaloa fats’e? What are the advantages or why is there a necessity ea hore these particular Laws li se ke tsa tsamaea ka mokhoa oo ho tloaetsoeng hore ho tsamauoe kateng? Ke hore li qale fats’e joale re tl’o ithuta tsona, ebe kea kholoa li tl’o tla li fihla moo li neng li fihlile teng kapa li etsoe-hona le hore li fetisoe, haeba ke utloa hantle hore ebe re tsoelapele ka tsona joalo ka ha eka li ntse li le teng haeba ke ka mokhoa oo ke utloisisang litaba kateng?
Kea leboha.
MADAM PRESIDENT: E-e Setho se Khabane, ke bona eka ha ua utloisisa hantle.
Procedure ke hore ka nako eo li ileng tsa oelella – hobane Paramente e ile ea etsoa dissolve, empahakere li-Ministry tsona li ntse li na le tlhoko ea taba eo? Ha re li etsa resuscitate we don’t just pass them, re li qalisa at the relevant Committee moo le il’o ts’ohloa teng, ba le hlalosetsa, le ithuta ka tsona, joale li tsebe ho tsoelapele.
E leng hore monyetla oa hore o tla utloisisa li-Bill tsena u be u fumane likateng tsa tsona u tla u fumana ka nako ena eo re li etsang refer to the Legislation Committee. Haeba ke utloa eka ke eona ntho eo u neng u e hloka hore u tle u tsebe ho li utloisisa hantle, Honourable Senator.
HON. SENATOR L. M. SEISO: Kea leboha, ‘M’e President. E leng hore haeba li sa etsoe joalo e ne e tla ba lia lahloa?
Kea leboha.
Question put and agreed to.
Resolved:
‘That this Honourable Senate revokes Standing Order number 100 (1) (b) which stipulates that “in a matter that is provided for in these Standing Orders and in any case of doubt, the President shall frame and determine a Standing Order until a Standing Order for that has been adopted in accordance with Standing Order number 92 (3)”. And lastly this Honourable Senate resolves to adopt this temporary Standing Order to enable restitution of Senate business and The Senate shall resuscitate and consider all six Bills that we have read’.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Rea leboha Letona le Khabane, u re thusitse hore, Ntate, re qalelle mosebetsi oa hore re ise Bills tsena joale li il’o tšohloa Komiting e relevant.
Litho tse Khabane, taba ena e re tlisa qetellong ea mosebetsi oa rona oa letsatsi la kajeno. Re tla boetse re kopana hape ka Labobeli ka 10:30 a.m.
Letona kea kholoa le haeba o entse present number plates, ho ho li-Clerk tsa rona hore li etse distribute number plates tseo ho Litho.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further Business on the Order Paper, Madam President adjourned the House without Question put, pursuant to Standing Order No. 16 (3).
The House was adjourned accordingly at 1232 hrs.