KINGDOM OF LESOTHO
PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES
DAILY HANSARD
OFFICIAL REPORT OF THE SENATE
3rd Meeting – First Session
Eleventh Parliament
WEDNESDAY 15 NOVEMBER, 2023
LENANE LA LITHO TSA NTLO EA MAHOSANA TSA PARAMENTE EA LESHOME LE MOTSO O MONG
| 1.Hon. Seeiso B. Seeiso | Principal Chief of Matsieng |
| 2. Hon. Joel A. Motšoene | Principal Chief of Leribe |
| 3.Hon. Sempe Gabasheane Masupha | Principal Chief of Ha ’Mamathe, Thupa-Kubu, Teya-Teyaneng le Jordan |
| 4.Hon. Mamolapo M. Q Majara | Principal Chief of Ha Majara |
| 5.Hon. Tumane Matela | Principal Chief of Makhoakhoeng |
| 6.Hon. Moeketsi Moletsane II | Principal Chief of Taung |
| 7.Hon. Lerotholi Mathealira Seeiso | Principal Chief of Mokhotlong |
| 8. Hon. Lerotholi L. Seeiso | Principal Chief of Likhoele |
| 9.Hon. Nthati Bereng | Principal Chief of Phamong |
| 10.Hon. Mojela T. Makhaola | Principal Chief of Qacha’s Nek |
| 11.Hon. Seeiso S. H. Nkuebe | Principal Chief of Quthing |
| 12.Hon. Nthupi A. Bereng | Principal Chief of Rothe, Masite, Serooeng, Letšeng, Kolo Ha Mohlalefi le Thaba-Tseka Ha Ntaote |
| 13.Hon. K.L.K Khoabane | Principal Chief of Thaba-Bosiu |
| 14.Hon. Mitchel S. Maama | Principal Chief of Ha Maama |
| 15.Hon Moholobela M. Moholobela | Principal Chief of Matelile |
| 16.Hon. Bereng G. Seeiso Api | Principal Chief of Ha Ramabanta le Kubake |
| 17. Peete Lesaoana Peete | Principal Chief of Koeneng le Mapoteng |
| 18.Hon. ’Mako T.Mohale | Principal Chief of Tajane, Ha Moetsana le Ha Mohale |
| 19. Hon. Khoabane T. Mojela | Principal Chief of Tebang, Tšakholo le Ha Seleso |
| 20. Hon. Retšelisitsoe Mopeli | Principal Chief of Botha-Bothe |
| 21.Hon. Pontšo S. Mathealira | Principal Chief of Tsikoane, Peka le Kolbere |
| 22.Hon. Qeto Sekonyela | Principal Chief of Malingoaneng |
| 23.Hon.’Mawinnie Kanetsi | Senator |
| 24. Hon. Lebona Khoaele | Senator |
| 25. Hon. Thabiso Lebese | Senator |
| 26. Hon. ‘Maphakiso Lebona | Senator |
| 27. Hon. ’Mabataung Patricia Mokhathali | Senator |
| 28. Hon.Sehlooho Henry Monatsi | Senator |
| 29. Hon. ‘Makholu Moshoeshoe | Senator |
| 30. Hon. Neo Matjato Moteane | Senator |
| 31. Hon. Seabata Motsamai | Senator |
| 32. Hon. Richard Ramoeletsi | Senator |
| 33.Hon. Limpho Tau | Senator |
PARLIAMENT OF THE KINGDOM OF LESOTHO
SENATE CHAMBER
Wednesday 15th November, 2023
The House assembled at 10:30 a.m.
(MADAM PRESIDENT in the Chair)
PRAYER
The Chaplain led the House in Prayer
ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM THE CHAIR
MADAM PRESIDENT: Litho tse Khabane, ke kopa ho le amohela letsatsing lena, ‘me re qale mosebetsi oa kajeno ka litsebiso tse latelang:
- Hosan ka Labone la la 16 Pulungoana, Motlatsi oa Tona-kholo, ebile e le Letona la rona la litaba tsa Paramente, o tla tla a etsa Polelo ka koano ka Ntlong holim’a litaba tsa Tlhopho-bocha.
- Ea bobeli ke hore hang ka morao ho Polelo eo ea Letona, re tla tekeloa Litlaleho tsa maeto a mabeli, e leng la Morocco le la Cameroon ka tatellano.
- Tsebiso ea boraro e bile e le ea ho qetela, Litho tse Khabane, ke hore le ne le ile la ts’episoa hore le tla nka tour ea the new Senate building, empa eitse ha re ntse re etsa litlhophiso tsa mofuta ono, mokonteraka a re tsebisa hore Stage seo ba leng ho sona hajoale ha se ea bolokeha sebakeng sa hore le ka ea la il’o bona moaho, ‘me ha ba se fetile ba tla re tsebisa e be re hlophela Litho ho il’o bona moaho o joalo.
HON.SENATOR. J. A MOTS’OENE: (Point of Order).
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Ntlha ea Tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona, Mohlomphehi, ke hlokomela hore Selemo se ka ‘na sa ea mafelong, ‘me ho ea ha sona-re mpa re ipotsa, Mohlomphehi, ka hore re lula hole, joale litaba tse kang tsa bo-Sitting Allowance, ha re li bone; le balula-setulo ba li komiti ka nako e ‘ngoe ha re ba hloka, ha re ba bone le bona. Joale taba ke hore na ebe taba eo re ka e atamela ka sebopeho sa mofuta ofe na?
HON.SENATOR.M.T.MOHALE: (Point of Order).
Kea leboha, hle, ’M’e President.
Kea kholoa ‘na taba ea ka e khuts’oane. Ke taba eane ea li-Ipad tsa Litho tse Khabane. Ke ne ke mpa ke botsa feela, ‘M’e, ke u hopotsa ka kopo, kapa ts’episo ho rona ea li-Ipad
Ka ‘nete ha re na letho, ‘M’e, mosebetsi re sitoa ho o kena hantle.
Kea leboha.
MADAME PRESIDENT: Litho tse Khabane, ke kopa le mamele hantle taba ena. Ke batla hore ha ke amohela Matona a ka a mabeli,- ke hore Lintlha tsa Tsamaiso ka mona ke ha ho fosuoe tsamaiso, Matona aka! Eseng ebe ha ho na le litaba – ke lumela hore ‘maka-litaba ke Letona la rona la Finance, ‘me ke lumella lintlha tsena tse peli tsa tsamaiso e le hobane feela ke re setlhare sa hole se chekoa mohl’a lets’olo.
‘M’e, re na le sello sa hore re etse lipatala tsa Litho tse Khabane tsa Sitting Allowance, empa re bona eka ha li ke li fuoe priority, kaha e ba nako e telele haholo ho fihlela li patetsoe’.
Joale empa ha ke khutla mono, ke boele ke re re na le system e bokooa ea hore li-sitting allowance leha li patetsoe, batho ba li etsang, e leng ba rona ba Office ea li- accounts ,ha ba n’o tseba hore na li se li kene ho li-account tsa Bahlomphehi;. Ke beng ba li-account ba ka tsebang. U tla fumana hore ke ka tlaleho ea bona feela re ka tsebang hore na ba li fumane kapa ha ba li fumana.
Boemong bona, boo re leng ho bona hona joale re ka tseba feela hore re re li-voucher li ile, ‘me re se re tla utloa ka Litho tse Khabane hore li kene kapa ha li e-s’o kene. Ha ba cho tjena, ba r-e ha li e-s’o kene, ‘me ke ho bolela hore ha li ka tsa etsoa priority, hee, Mohlomphehi oa ka Letona le Khabane la Lichelete. Re kopa ts’ehetso ea hau litabeng tse joalo.
Ea bobeli ke ena ea Ntlha ea tsamaiso ea Morena oa rona oa Tajane, ea li-Ipad kapa li-tablet. Ke hopola hore ho ne ho entsoe requesition ea Authority, ‘me Authority e ile ea ba granted ho etsa li etsa finance. Haholo tse neng li tatile e ne ele tsa Litho tse neng li fihla, empa joale chelete eaba ha e be allocated. Re ntse re fuoe Authority joalo ha re e-s’o fuoe Chelete ho thoe e ntse e sukulisa finance.
Ha ke tsebe ha Lichelete ho thoe lia sukulisa Finance ke ha li le joang. Ke utloa feela ho thoe li ntse li sukulisa! Joale u tsebe ke tla lula ka story seno, ke sa tsebe na h-o sokolisa eng. ‘M’e Minister ho thoe system ea bona ke eona e sukulisang h-a ba re ba e etsa generate kapa ba etsa hore e tsebe ho hlaha!
Ho rona ha e hlahe hore re tsebe ho e etsa allocate ka route e nepahetseng hore re tsebe ho reka li-Ipad tseo.
Le hoeona kea kholoa hore ha Bahlanka ba ka ba ts’oarana le ba Finance…
‘M’e, u tle u re thuse ho eona.
TABLING OF SUBBODINATE CLAUSE
HON. MINISTER. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Madam President. Ke ema lebitsong la Mohlomphehi Letona la Local Government ho teka ka pele ho Ntlo ena Local Government Transfer of Functions- Amendment Regulations, 2023, for consideration.
Rea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
ITEM 2. ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS
HON.SENATOR. N. L. BERENG: Kea leboha Madam President. Ka uena, ‘M’e, ke kopa ho botsa Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane Potso ea mashome a mabeli a metso e meraro.
Kea kokobela
QUESTION 23…. asked the minster of… whether s/he aware…
HON. MINISTER. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Madam President.
Ke kopa ke arabele Potso ena ea 23, eo ka bomali-mabe ke hore ha kea li etsa print, empa ke tla li fetisetsa ho Ntate Clerk ka e-mail li-Response tsena.
Mohlomphehi le Bahlomphehi, ke rata ho leboha ka Potso ena. It is a very thoughtful question regarding Budget Allocations for research and development ka hare ho naha ea rona. And, as thus, e etsa hinge and impact on different National Development Agendas.
Ke rata ho arabela ka tsela e tjena, Mohlomphehi, ea hore Potso ena e na le Likaroloana tse ‘maloa. Re qale ka Karoloana ea A: how much of the Fiscal Budget does Lesotho spend on research and development to advance the economy per annum?
ke mpe ke hlalose hore Khakanyo e phethahetseng kapa e tsepamang on the Fiscal Budget dedicated for research and development e batla e le thata ho fumaneha ka lebaka la hobane e aroleloa li-institution tse ngata ka har’a naha, ‘me e-ea fapana selemo le selemo. It varies across departments and institutions.
Leha ho le joalo, ke bonts’e hore ‘Muso o entse maintain dedication to advance research and development activities ka har’a merero ea ntlafatso.
Taba eo e re thusa haholo hore ka lipatlisiso tseno ebe re tseba hore na re etsa target mafapha afe, ‘me li-Budget li etsa target mafapha afe ha re etsa meralo ea hore na lichelete li ea hokae, moo re ntseng re shebile taba ea kholo ea moruo.
Ke kopa ho etsa mohlala, NUL ke e ‘ngoe ea institution sub-versions from Government, and ho na le Budget eo ba e sebelisang for research and development, ke ka hona ba nang le ntho e bitsoang Innovation Hub, eo ‘Muso o ntseng o tsoela pele ho e ts’ehetsa. Re boetse re ts’ehetsa research and development e etsoang ke li-institution tse ‘maloa: Banka e Kholo ea Lesotho, Revenue Services Lesotho, LNDC le tse ling.
Ho na le tse ling hape tsa Science and Technology, ho na le tse ling hape tsa Agriculture, le tsa bophelo tse kang National Health Training Centre. Kaofela hoa tsona li ntse li fumana litsiane tseo, amongst other things, ka har’a merero ea bona u tla fumana ho na le litaba tsa research and development, ha se litaba tsa thuto feela.
Ntho eo re e hlokometseng ke ho re, Research and Development ena, joaloka ha ke boletse, e pharaletse, ‘me e arolehile ka mafapha a mangata. Ha re ka nka Budget ea makala ano, joale ra re ho eona mono ke litaba tsa thuto, Research and Development, re tla hlokomela hore ehlile ke karolo e kholo haholo ea Budget e eang litabeng tsa Research and Development. Ke mpa ke se na palo eo ehlileng nka reng ke e itseng ea Budget, hobane joale e alehile mafapheng a fapakaneng.
Li-institution tsena kaofela play a very instrumental role in driving research and innovations across diverse sectors. Hona makaleng a ‘Muso mona – ke etse mohlala ka Lekala la Communications and Technology, ke le nts’etsang pele litaba tsa bonono litabeng tsa technology. U tla fumana hore ka har’a Budget ea Lekala, ho ntse ho na le e eang litabeng tseno hore le moo ho ileng hoa etsoa research teng, development e be teng, hore ba kenye ts’ebetsong merero e hlahang from research le li-recommendations, joale ebe ba e kenya ts’ebetsong.
Ke etse mohlala hape ka Lekala lena le Agric, research e ntse e etsoa fund ke ‘Muso, ‘me ka lipatlisiso tseo ba li etsang ele ho etsa test mobu, lipeo joalo-joalo, le ho etsa pilot limela tse itseng – ke research and development taba eo. E batla e ikalile haholo mafapheng a mangata.
Ke tle karolong ea bobeli. Ke mpe ke bonts’e hore ka lilemo tse 10 tse fetileng ho tloha 2012 ho isa 2022, re lekile ho sheba le ba haeso, ‘m’e, Mohlomphehi, u tla hopola hore ke ile ka etsa defer Potso ena. Lebaka la ka ke hobane ehlile re ne re ntse re etsa lipatlisiso, re kopile hore le bane ba Statistics ba ke ba re thuse. Ke mona moo re reng joale re fumane hore taba ena e hohle makaleng mona. Joale re sitoa ho nts’a hore lekaleng le itseng re ka re research and development Budget ea eona ke bokana, hobane joale ebile li kopane.
Ke mpa ke re over the past decade, ho tloha 2012 to 2022, funding e ileng ea etsoa allocate to research and development has yielded substantial benefits for Lesotho. These developments ke tsona tse etsang underpin economic growth, kapa tse entsoeng underpin ke economic growth, ‘me tsa ba tsa nyolla le tlhahiso esitana le mesebetsi.
Ke kopa ho etsa mohlala ka hore re na le project mona e ileng ea qala, ‘me ea ea ho Basotho. Taba eo e ne ele ea tlhahiso ea litholoana moo e neng ele mokhoa oa hore ebe re tseba hore re re na ehlile naha ea rona e ka tseba ho hlahisa lintho tse itseng ka tsela eo li ka holisang moruo. Re fumane hore ho joalo, ‘me eaba re fuoa ts’ehetso ke bafani hore ebe re tseba hore kajeno re ka tseba ho hlahisa litholoana, ‘me ra tseba ho li etsa export.
Taba eo e hlahisitse mesebetsi ho bao ba keneng likhoebong tsa mofuta o joalo – ke etsa mohlala feela. Empa ho na le tse ling hape – industrial competitiveness, national security optimized, energy production and distribution.
Hona joale re ithutile hore re na le matla kapa re na le monyetla oa ho hlahisa matla ka lihloliloeng tsa rona, joaloka metsi, letsatsi le moea. Leha e-ba mohlomong ha li e-s’o hlahise mesebetsi e mekaalo-kaalo, re se re ntse re tsoela pele ho batla hore chelete boholo e ee litabeng tsa mofuta o joalo, ele hore li tle li tsebe ho hlahisa mesebetsi, ese feela hore re be le energy e clean ka har’a naha ea rona.
Re hlokometse environmental protection initiatives joaloka likhakeletsi, hore ke tse ling tse hlahisang mesebetsi, ‘me e ntse ele litaba tsa lipatlisiso le tse amanang le research and development hore re lokela ho ntlafatsa le ho sireletsa mehloli ea metsi a rona. Ho na le batho ba sebetsang mehloling mono, ba ntseng ba thusa hore mehloli eo e sireletsehe. Ke taba ea tlhahiso ea mesebetsi.
Human knowledge feela – re hlokometse hore ho na le lithuto tse ncha tse tlang tseo re bonang li ntse li ata, tse re thusang hore re nts’etse-pele thuto. Ke etse mohlala – lithuto tsa lirafshoang kapa tsa merafo. Re se re tseba ho kenya letsoho hore bana ba rona ba ee ho ea ithuta lithuto tsa mofuta o joalo, ele hore lirafshoang tsa naha ena li tle li tl’o sebetsa ka har’a naha ka mona, kapa li nts’etse pele moruo oa rona ka litsebo tsa bana ba Basotho. Litaba tseo ke tlhahiso ea mesebetsi.
These contributions li hlaha hona tabeng ea research and development and investments that we are doing litabeng tsa research and development.
Ke kopa ho fetela ho mokhahlelo oa boraro – the current ranking ea Lesotho linaheng tsa lefats’e litabeng tsa spending on research and development. Ho bohlokoa hore re hlokomele, Mohlomphehi, hore ranking li ka ba teng, li etsoa ke li-institution tse fapakaneng tse kang World Bank le tse ling. Lia fetoha nako le nako.
Hore re fumane the most up to date and reliable ranking ea rona, re its’etleha ka international sources tse etsang li-ranking tsena. Joale ka ha ke se ke bonts’itse ke bo-World Bank le tse ling le other reputable institutions. Ba etsa collect data e itseng hore ba tsebe ho re etsa rank mono re tsebe hore na re ho kae.
Hona joale ranking ea rona re hlotsoe ho e fumana ha re ntse re bua le bona ka lebaka la hobane ba re ke hona ba ntse ba etsa collect data eo, joale ba tla tla ba etsa rank linaha hore na re hlaha mokhahlelong ofe, empa we remain stedfast hore makala a amehang a fane ka data eo, joale re tle re tsebe ho bona hore na papisong le linaha tse ling in these forth coming years, re baloa re le ho kae. Re hlotsoe ho e fumana ka ’nete hona joale.
Mokhahlelong oa bone, ke taba ea ho nyolla Budget ea research and development. Joale ke se ke bonts’itse hore ke morero hore litaba tsa thuto le tsa research and development li nts’etsoe pele hobane re hlokometse bohlokoa ba tsona. Re le ‘Muso, we have devised a strategic plan to augment the Budget ea rona ea research and development.
Taba ena ha re e etse re le bang, le Lekala la Lichelete ha le e etse le le leng, empa re sebetsa in collaboration with local and international partners, including academic institutions tse kang NUL le tse ling. Ha ke re re sebetsa le tse ling tsa machaba – eona NUL e tla be e hokahane le research council ka mane ka Aforika Boroa, hore re tsebe ho bona hore na lintho tse itseng tseo ba ka li kopanelang, ba li sebetsa ka tsela e joang, le hore na bona ka mona ka hae ba hloka bokae ho tseba hore lintho tse kang tseno li nts’etsoe pele.
Ke batla ho etsa mohlala hape ka tlhahiso ea meriana. Rea tseba nakong ea Covid-19 mona setsi sa rona sa innovation hub ka mane ka NUL, se kile sa hlahisa moriana o neng o bonahala o sebetsa haholo sebakeng sa mokhohlane le sefuba seno se neng se le matla. Innovation hub ena e ile ea kopana le human and research council ea South Africa moo ho neng ho lekoa hore taba eo ea moriana oo e nts’etsoe pele.
U tla fumana hore ka nako e ‘ngoe re hloka mechini, li-laboratory tse etsang li-test ka har’a naha ka mona, tseo re tlamehang ho fetisetsa ho linaha tse ling le balekane bano ba rona hore ba tsebe ho etsa li-test tseno for us, joale re tsebe ho ts’oarana ka matsoho.
Ntho eo re e hlokometseng ke ea hore re lokela ho tiisa maqhama le li-institution tse hlahang ka ntle ho naha hore re tsebe ho etsa litaba tsena ha hajoale. Going forward, ntho eo re rerileng ho e etsa ke ea hore (Bahlomphehi ba tla hopola hore ho na le ntho eo re e bitsang – ha ke tsebe na hae mona re e bitsa joalo, empa ke tla e bitsa joalo, le tle le nts’oarele, Bahlomphehi – the bureau of standard or standards) institutions tsa rona tse lokelang ho etsa test- lintho tse hlahisoang hae mona le be teng, ekaba ho etsa test lijo, tamati, meroho le tse ling, le meriana, esitana le boea kapa lihlahisoa tsohle-tsohle, hore joale re tle re tsebe hore re re lintho tse etsoang Lesotho li safe for human consumption – both for Basotho le linaha tse hlahang kantle…
Morero oa ho haha setsi se joalo le hore se be le mechini e hlokahalang hore ho tsebe ho etsoa li-test tsena tse hlokahalang, ke morero oo re seng re o shebile hore o tle o qale haufinyane.
Re bua ka li-plan tseo re li etsang towards research and development hore na ke life.
Re na le plan e joalo ea hore haufinyana taba ea Khaho ea Setsi seo e tle e tsoelepele e le hore- le hona mona moo re ntseng re leka ho hlahisa haholonyane re khothaletsa Basotho hore tlhahiso e phahame re tsebe ho etsa link le limmaraka, hobane limaraka li batla lintho tse hlahlobuoeng (ha ba li nke feela) to see hore they are good for human consumption.
Our over aching objective ke hore re etse environment e re thusang ho etsa foster innovation, e knowledge driven, e thusang hore moruo oa rona o hole ka tsela eo o tsoelang Basotho bohle,le li-value chains. Ke ho re Basotho bohle ba li-value chains tsa lintho tsena kaofela ba fumane molemo ho tsona.
Bahlomphehi, ke mpe ke re ka lehlakoreng la ka ho ka ba molemo hore litaba tsena ha reli etsa re ‘ne re utloe li-policy, re ‘ne re etsoe tackle ka malebela. Ka nako e ‘ngoe le rona we need to hear from you. Ho ka ba molemo hore ke utloe hore na le lona le nahana ka tsela e joang ha re tla litabeng tsena tsa research and development and the future plans tseo ‘Muso o nang le tsona kapa tseo ‘na ke li khothalelitseng ‘Muso.
Kea leboha.
Ke leboha ka tsela e khethehileng, hobane potso ena e bohlokoa haholo, e re ho rona re lokela hore re kopanye maboko a rona kaofela hore re nts’etse pele Lesotho, ‘me re nts’etsepele le bonono le botsebi bo teng ka hare ho naha ea rona hore ebe bona bo sebelisoang hore re nts’etse naha ea rona pele.
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Ke kopa re opele Letona liatla, le arabile hantle.
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HON. SENATOR N. BERENG: Kea leboha, ‘M’e.
Ka’nete o nkarabile ka bokhabane bo boholo haholo, ekaba ke batla litaba. Che, kea kholoa ke Mokuena oa ha Mokoteli eka ‘na eaba.
Ke ne ke re mokhoa oo o arabileng kateng ke utloile o tsepamisitse maikutlo haholo kapa nka re focus ea lona le le ‘Muso e ho makala a ‘Muso le li-parastatals kapa li-public entity tseo ‘Muso o nang le lentsoe ho tsona, ka research and development .
Joale ke re, ‘M’e, ho na le ntho e nts’oenyang haholo, kea kholoa letsatsi le letsatsi, ena ea climate change. Na le ka se ikeletse hore le ke le tsoele le ka ntle, hobane- ke etse mohlala, likoloi tsena tse ngata tse seng li le teng hona joale tseo motho e mong le e mong a seng a ka khona hore a reke koloi, le ka se ikeletse hore likoloi tsee tse kenang tse ngata-ngata tse tsoang koana hole ho ke ho be le a quota – mohlomong ke re ka khoeli kapa selemo, hore bonyane re mpe re amohele likoloi tse kana, re se ke ra iphumana re se re sa tsebe hore na ke tsona tse silafatsang tikoloho?
Bothata bo boholo hantle ke eng ka taba ena ea climate change? Re ka e hlola joang?
Kea leboha, ‘M’e.
HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Ke lebohe, ‘M’ e President, Tafole ekasitana le Bahlomphehi le Honourable Ministers.
Potso ea ka kea kholoa ‘na e tla tla e nyanyeletsa tabeng ena. Kea utloa karabo ebile teng ka’nete, empa che, leha mong’a potso a re eena o khotsofetse ‘na ke utloa eka ho na le khaello, Mohlomphehi oa ka.
Khaello ke ena moo re etsang nyalahanyo ea liphuphutso ekasitana le production. Ke ho re ha re etsa joalo ra be re fupulitse hantle taba ena eo u buang ka eona, Honourable Minister, eo u reng ke value chain, e ka tsebang ho re tsoalla molemo.
Potso ea ka eo ‘na ke nyanyeletsang ka eona ke hore na Lekala kapa ‘Muso ka kakaretso ka mafapha a teng a fapakaneng u na le kutloisiso ea hore na Litsi tsena tseo o seng o li abetse chelete – NUL, NHTC, joalo-joalo, litabeng tsa liphuputso, hore liphuputso tseo tsa bona li re fa eng litabeng tsa policy development ka Government, ele hore joale re tsebe hore re tlise budget e appropriate, re tsebe ho tlisa tlhahiso – re nyalahanye joalo?
Hona joale, ‘M’e, u kopile chelete e lemmeng masimo a likoro. Re ea kae ka eona koro eo? Na ke eo le seng le shebile mola moo re lebang maloaleng a maholo kapa innovation hub e ka tsebang ho re thusa hore na koro ena eo re nang le eona ka class tsa eona tse fapaneng, joale ke il’o e fumana joang mane Mabeoane Shopping Centre? Ke il’o e thola joang moo?
Joale ebe taba eno e etsa hore motho eno ea sebetsang Mabeoana Shopping Centre a tsebe hore o hiriloe ka koro ena e kotuloang ena. Kahoo u il’o fumana re boloka mosebetsi oa hae, hobane u entse ntho eane eo u itseng ke value chain.
Na ehlile u na le structure se etsang coordinate litaba tsee, ‘M’e, ka Finance, hore ha u file Makala chelete joale u tsebe ho bona hore the impact of that allocation for that fiscal year na e ea hokae?
‘Na ke bona eka re sa ntsane re na le khaello eno ea hore re etseng coordination e proper e tla re thusa hore ntho eo re e fileng lekala uena u e nke u e nyalahanye le policy, e tle e tsebe ho re thusa.
Ka lehlohonolo kea bona hore u lutse le Honourable Minister of Education and Health. Le ne le ts’oanela hore le le bararo tjena le re le na le sehlopha se teng. Na se teng?
Joale Letona la Bophelo le tsebe ho re thusa hore na ntho eo e leng li-nutrient tsa ntho eo hothoeng ke koro li thusa joang ho matlafatsa ‘mele oa Mosotho, joale a tsebe hore ha e le ngata tjena Basotho ba e ja ka mohalikoana eba ba ea kae, u be u tseba hore ha u ea ka eona e ts’etse eng ‘me e etsa eng bophelong ba rona.
Ke rialo hobane re se re ntse re haelloa ka bad eating habits tseo re nang le tsona hona joale.
Potso ea ka ke eona eno.
Ua bona li se li le tharo lipotso tseo ke li botsitseng?
Coordination ke eona ntho eo ke batlang ho bua ka eona and also the impact of the input eo e e entseng.
Ka’nete ‘na ke ne ke re na lea hlokomela, Bahlomphehi, hore ha re na hore in the next 40 years lichelete tsena tse ntseng li theola boleng ba tsona rona re tla be re entse keep joang resilience ea hore re tsebe ho etsa tlhahiso e matla ka hae ka mona?
Ke ne ke utloa ke rata ho thala-thala joale hothoe ke theohe, ke lipotso.
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
HON. SENATOR J. A. MOTS’OENE: Setho se Khabane se ile sa thala haholo ka ba ka batla ke etsa panic hanyane!
MADAM PRESIDENT: Litho tse Khabane!
Order, Setho se Khabane!
Ke ne ke re hopolang hore ho na le khoelehetso eo Letona le qetang ho e etsa mona,’me e ne e ka ba molemo le ho utloa ho lona hore le mo hlahlelle hore na lona le bona joang ka tsona litaba tsena e le ha a qeta ho beha litaba tsa potso ea hae. ‘me Hoa nepahala hore le be le se le etsa eona taba eona eo.
HON. SENATOR J. A. MOTS’OENE: Ke leboha ha u re fa monyetla oa ho khobotla.
Ke ne ke re, Mohlomphehi, ke hlomphe Bahlomphehi Matona a Khabane.
Potso ea ka ho ea ho Letona le Khabane la Lichelete ke hore (kea kholoa leha Setho se Khabane se ne se buile ka eona) ebe Mohlomphehi ha a bone eka ho latela nako eo ho buueng ka eona ea lilemo tsena ho tloha 2012-2022 ha a bone eka ke bohlale hore re khutlise taba ela ea National Planning Board, hobane litaba ha li le sieo joale ho na le National Advisory Board re tla be re sa re, qii, tabeng eo re e hlokang, ka hore keletso motho a ka e nka kapa a e lahla?
Ea bobeli, ke taba ena eo ke e shebileng moo ho (b) hore na ha re bua ka taba ea ho theha mesebetsi le hore re tle re tsebe ho supa likatleho tse itseng, ha ho molemo hore re etse theolelo ea matla sechabeng?
Ke hobane ka’nete haeba re tla bua re le Maseru mona re bua ka sechaba se mahaeng koana, ho tloha bo Qacha’s Nek, Tlokoeng , Matelile, Mokhotlong, joalo-joalo, ebe, Mohlompheh,i na ebe re ka hla ra tseba seo ehlileng e le tlhoko ea sona re le moo? Karabo ke, che, kaha joale ha re khutlela morao re ntse re bona maemo ana. Joale ke ne ke re na ha ho molemo hore re ke re etse decentralise the services?
Ea ho qetela, mane moo ho buuang ka taba ea hore na re ka eketsa taba ea budget joang, ha ho bonahale ho ka ba molemo, Mohlomphehi, hore lirafshoang tseo e leng ‘nete hore u buile ka tsona – ho na le taba e ‘ngoe eo ke itseng ke tla e khobotla, hobane u ile ua re re ke re bue hore na ebe mohlomong re ka eletsa ‘Muso joang, ebile e ntse e le e meng ea mesebetsi ea Ntlo ena ea mantlha hore e etse joalo.
Ho na le taba ea lirafshoang tse ling tseo re nang le tsona kahar’a naha ka mona tse metsi, lejoe le koar Joale, empa ke kopa ke tle ke tsepamise maikutlo a ka ho tse peli feela, e leng lejoe le metsi.
Motse o mong le o mong o na le lipompo tseo ho ileng hoa thoe ke tsa sechaba ho tloha 1970 koana ho fihlela hona joale. Taba eo ho latela tsela eo metse ea habo rona e aheileng kateng, ke bona eka, Mohlomphehi ho hlokahala feela hore re batle hore na lenane le teng ka hare ho metse le kholo ea sechaba e se e le kae.
Pokello ea metsi e neng e etsoa ka nako eno – haeba ka nako eno matlo a ne a le mashome a ts’,eletseng hona joale a se a le makholo a ts’eletseng. Hona ho bolela hore re tla tlameha re atolose pokello e joalo ea metsi, feela re ntse re na le chebelo pele ea hore na hona pokellong eno ea metsi ha re a etse bottle moo a tla khona hore ha re a ts’ela ka libotlolong re thehe mesebetsi ka hore baneng ba Basotho ho tla be hona le ba etsang bottle, ba bang ba etsa labelling, ba bang ba etsa packing and transporting.
Re tle ho ena ea lejoe, Mohlomphehi. Ho na le sebaka kahar’a naha ena ea habo rona ea Lesotho, ebile e tloaelehile ka hore it is a mountainous country – joale hoban’eng re sa bule li-mine tsa lejoe ho na le hore ebe Machaena a tl’o tla a re bonts’a hore re ka una molemo joang ka lejoe leo re nang le lona?
Mohlomphehi, ha ke ne ke nyanyeletsa ke ne ke bua ka lintlha tseno tseo ke buileng ka tsona.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Ke kopa lefupu lena u ke u le arabe, Honourable Minister, pele ke nka la bobeli.
HON. DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Madam President.
Ke kopa hore ke li nke, leha ke utloa eka tse ling leha ke tla li nka li ne li hloka hore re ebe le Matona a mang a teng, hobane joale li kenella ka hare ho libaka tseo ba sebetsang ho tsona.
Morena oa ka Honourable Bereng, taba ena ea climate change e serious haholo, kahoo ke taba eo re e nketseng hloohong hore ka’nete it is very risky. Re bone selemong sa ho feta mona hore na batho ba ile ba senyeheloa hakae, naha e ile ea senyeheloa hakae, ke lipula tse matla, infrastructure e ea senyeha, litsela lia senyeha, marokho, joalo-joalo.
Selemong sena re bone moea o ne o le mongata o senyelitseng batho. Ke hore ehlile rea hlokomela hore phetoho ea leholimo e baka bothata, kahoo ka hare ho budget eo re ntseng re e sebetsa selemong sena, ke tse ling tsa lintho tseo re ntseng re leka ho li sebetsa. Re sheba hore na risk ke life andhow do we deal with them.
Ke etse mohlala, ho hlokomelehile linaheng mona hore re na le diverts of energy ka hare ho region ea rona, Re hlile re hloka energy. Rea hlokomela se etsahalang South Africa. Rea hlokomela hohle hore there is a need for power.
Empa ha re nyolla capacity ea rona ea ho producer power re leka ho sheba mekhoa e environmentally friendly, e ka etsang power e matla, empa feela e le sustainable ebile e le reliable also. E le hore re loanntse taba ena ea climate change.
Ho buuoe ka likoloi ka kotloloho hore na a coder ena ea likoloi tse kenang ka hare ho naha hore na mohlomong e ka fokotsoa na, e tsoe le ‘mila ea rona e subuhlellane haholo. Ke mane moo ke reng motho a ka tsepamang haholo litabeng tsena ke Letona la khoebo, hobane joale ke ena motho ea fanang ka licences tsa likhoebo tsa mofuta o joalo.
Hore na a ka li fa coder ho re, ee, leka tseba ho rekisa likoloi tse itseng feela kapa tsa nako e itseng; (ha ke bolela tsa nako e itseng, akere tse ling u tla fumana li se li tsofetse haholo. Joale li etsa emissions/mosi o mo ngata haholo).
feela…, ke lumela hore ke tsela eo a ka e shebang kateng. Empa ke sitoa hore ke re ke ntho e ka atlehang hobane o tlameha ho sheba lintho tse ngata, kea kholoa, le eena. Empa ‘na ke le motho, ke u mametse u bua ka taba ena, ke re re ‘ne re hopoleng also le ho shebela pele hore re ts’oanetse ho etsa transition ea ho tloha likoloing tsena tsa petrol.
Linaha tse ling li se li ntse li ea mono, ka likoloi tsena tse etsoang charge ka motlakatse. Ke tse ling tse etsang hore re shebe ka ho tsona. Ke ‘nete re saletse morao, empa linaha tse ling li se li ntse li ea teng hore ha batho ba reka likoloi tse ncha ba re etsa mofuta o joalo.
Ke lintho tseo re ka li shebang tseo re ka reng ha re na le stations tsa mofuta o joalo tse etsang charge those cars, joale batho ba rona ba tsebe ho reka mofuta oo oa likoloi. So, ke lintho tse ngata tse ka shebuoang. Joale empa li ama mafapha a mangata, joale ka hona ke sita hore ke re e ka etsoa or not. Re lokela hore re e shebe.
Honourable Motsamai, ke ne ke re tabeng ena ea ho nyalanya development ea rona le litaba tsa litsi tsena tsa koetliso ke taba ea bohlokoa.Le coordination ea Makala, ha re sheba taba ea value chain.- u nkhopolitse taba ea bohlokoa mona ea hore hona joale re hlokometse, ebile re fuoe hore Ethiopia ba entse produce koro e ngata.
Koro ena ba entse a seed research and development, joale ba khonne ho etsa peo ea koro e climate resistant for sebaka sa bona. Rea tseba sebaka sa bona ke sebaka se nang le komello haholo, so re ntse re leka ho bua le bona hore na a seed ena ea bona, hobane re hlokomela hore habo rona mona ekanna eaba re na le maemo a ts’oanang le a bona – le ka ho phahama hoa naha ea rona feela re ka tsoana le bona mohlomong. Can we make links tsa hore re fumane koro eo ea mofuta oo? We also have to test it hore na e safe hakae for consumption ea sechaba sa rona, hobane le tsona litaba tsena tsa development and research li tlisa mafu ho latela hore na ho entso’eng ho latela hore ebe koro ena e eme joang hore e be climate resident.
Koro ea bona e climate resistant ebile e hlaisa haholo ebile ba ntse ba rorisoa ka eona lefats’eng ka bophara.
Tabeng ena ea coordination, Mohlomphehi, ena ea li-value chain,ehlile ke eona ntho eo re e emetseng ka maoto. Ke kopa hape ebang le ka hopola re chaile poone e ngata selemong sena, hape haeba le ile la hlokomela – hore re ile ra lema late, eona poone eo maoba mona Tona-kholo o ne a thakhola morero Matsieng mane oa hore ebe poone eo e ka fuoang bathoas work for food, ha ba ntse ba lokisa litsela kapa ba etsa mosebetsi o itseng kapa le malapa ao ebang mohlomong a hloka haholo. Ho rekuoe poone ea Basotho, ele mokhoa oa ho etsa encourage batho ho re, kenang temong.
Joale re be le market. Ha rea sheba feela maloala ane a maholo, empa re shebile le a manyane. ‘Me re sitisitoe feela hobane re re batho bao ha ba na mokhoa oa hore e mong a ka ea leloaleng Re ile ra sebelisa maloala ana a local hore re e sile poone eo e le hore ha re fana re fane ka phoofo. So it says to the Farmer, I can actually plant ebe ke tl’o una molemo ka hore ke rekise sehlaisoa sa ka. Eane oa leloala le eena ho na le ntho eo a e fumanang. Qetellong e tla fihla mabenkeleng a maholo. Ke hona moo re lebisang teng.
Linaoa ka mokhoa o ts’oanang le lintho tse ling tse ngata – ha hona mokhoa oa hore hona joale tjena re ke ke ra tseba ho phahamisa tamati ebe re ja Tomato sauce e hlahisoang mona. Ke litaba tsa value chain ea hore na ha re se re hlaisitse ka bongata re etsa joang. Le bahoebi we need storage capacity. Bahoebi ba tlameha ba tsebe hore storage se teng, because these are perishable goods.
Taba eo ebile e nphetisetsa tabeng eo ke tl’o e araba ea cost of living, re tsebe hore na re e laola ka tsela e joang, hobane we import everything: we import poone, motlakase, lijo as well as petrol. Inflation le eona e fihla e phahamisa standard of living, because batho ba latileng lihlaisoa tseno o tla batla ho etsa inflate cost tsa hae!
Ehlile, Ntate, re leka hore budget ea rona ha re e etsa le merero ea rona, re ee mono moo re etsang coordination hore lintho li etsahale hae mona.
Rea tseba re na le lebenkele la rona le etsang fry khoho. Le koetsoe hobane khoho e le sio. A koetsoe óhle hobane a ne a ntse a reka khoho ho hlaha South Africa, joale ke tse ling tsa lintho tseo re reng na ka ‘nete re se re sitoa ho hlaisa khoho e ka etsoang test moo standard Institute moo hore e etse qualify hore e sebelisoe?
Ke lintho tse ngata tseo re ntseng re leka ho ea ho tsona; Roma ha e ea ahoa ka letsatsi le le leng, re tlabe re il’o fihla re ntse re tlatseletsanang le lona.
Morena oa ka, taba ena ea 2022, kea kholoa potso ea hau e planning board haholo. Hona joale tjena ka phetho-phetoho ena e bileng teng re ne re ntse re le mothating oo re neng re leka hore re iketse rearrange re le Makala a mang, re etse restructure, hobane joale a mang a kopantsoe, ha a mang a a rotsoe, joalo joalo. Ka hona ke tse ling tsa lintho tse ntseng ke sebetsana le tsona.
Planning ke ena e ntse e le teng hona mona – nka etsa litukiso ra lokisa ra etsa restructure, feela re tle re hopole hore taba eo e teng ka hare ho Reforms ka mane, ‘me ke sitoa ho etsa qeto ea moshoelella until reforms li fitile, hobane sechaba se buile ka eona, hore na e lokela hore e etsoe joang. Ke tse ling tsa lintho tseo re ntseng re li sheba hore ekare reforms li ka feta ka pele re tsebe ho etsa qeto ka lintho tse ling tsa bohlokoa tse ka re thusang hore leha re beile merero, ‘me e le molemong oa sechaba, u se fumane hore ha ho kena Muso o mocha hoa fetoha joale ebe re qetella re sitoa ho tsoela pele.
Kea leboha.
Le taba ena ea theolelo ea matla sechabeng re ntse re e sebetsa ka matla hore e tl’o tla e feta, Ntate, hobane ke ‘nete hore lits’ebeletso ha li fihle hantle sechabeng kapa ka nako. Ka nako e ‘ngoe u tla fumana sechaba sa mono se tseba litlhoko tsa mono hofeta rona ba Maseru mona. Ka hona re ts’oanela hore re ba fe matla ba iketsetse mosebetsi. Letona la ka la Local Government ke bone eka litaba tseo o se a ntse a li sebetsa kaha ebile o na le molao o tl’o feta oa litaba tseo.
Ka mona ka ho budget re qalile mokhoa o mocha oa ho etsa budget. Ka August re ne re ntse re tsamaea re pota naha ena kaofela re kopana le sechaba le Marena kaofela. Re ne re batla maikutlo a bona a hore na le bona eka sechaba see sa lona kapa sebakeng see sa lona le batla’ng. E ne le ntho eo re e bitsang pre-budget consultation. E leng hore re ntse re ahella litaba tsa bona ka hare ho budget moo ho khonahalang teng.
Ka lirafshoang tsa lejoe le metsi ke lumellana le uena haholo. Nako ena eo u buang ka eona ea 1970, batho ba bangata ba kahare ho Ntlo ena, including me, re ne re es’o ho be teng ,feela ntho eo ke e tsebang ke hore haeso mane ho ne ho na le seliba se chekiloeng sa pompo se holim’a metsi mono. Motse oa h’eso o se o holile hoo seliba seno ke seng ke sa tsebe le hore na se felletse kae. Ntho eo ke etsebang ke hore ehlile re na le bothata ba hore re shebela haufinyane ha re etsa lintho, ha re shebele pele.
It is the nature of Government, governments li joalo! Why? Ke hobane they hold office for five years kahoo haba bone ka nq’ane ho five years, ‘me kannete re ts’oanetse ho fetola mindset ono oa rona oa hore le haeba ke mona for these five years ke ts’oanetse hore ke etse merero e eang pele with the hope that ba tla kena ka mor’a ka ba tla e ntsetsa pele ka tsela ena e joalo.
Ka hare ho budget ea rona ea selemo sena re lekile hore re shebe sona statistics sa hore na population e kae; population e phelang kapa ba nang le bokooa ba bakae, maqheku a rona a makae, ba sa sebetseng ba bakae, joalo joalo, ka mekhahlelo ea bona kaofela.
Taba eo e bonts’a bohlokoa ba statistics. Hona joale ka lebaka la ho hloka statistics lintho tse ling re sitoa ho li hlokomela. Hona le mafu a hlasetseng ho feta a mang. Re bona taba ea cancer, stroke le tse ling, e leng lintho tse neng li ntse li le sieo ho Basotho. Do we have data eo re ka reng, che, ntho ena e boemong bo itseng boo re seng re ka re mohlomong it is a pandemic ka hare ho naha ea rona and we have to deal with it decisively re etse allocate budget? Do we know the causes tsa lintho tseo e leng taba ea research?
Boinahano bo joalo ha bo s’o be teng,’me re ntse re leka hore re bo hahe hore bo be teng re tsebe hore na re etsa budget for who, ke population e kae e se nang metsi, e libakeng life, ke e kae e se nang motlakase, e libakeng life, joalo joalo.
Kea leboha, Beng ba ka.
HON. SENATOR S. B. SEEISO: Madam President, kea leboha, ‘Mé, ke lebohe Matona a bo rona, ke lebohe le Litho tsa haeso tse Khabane.
Honourable Minister, kea kholoa potso ea ka – leha Setho se Khabane se ntse se bua ka Mabeoana mona se ile sa be se se se kenella -ke ne ke se ke ntse ke tl’o bua ka eona.In essence Ntate Motsamai o buile ka innovation research e ka bonahalang ena le meoloane e isang to the production platform.
Hoaka ke hore na innovation eno – research eo, ena eo, ‘M’e, ke lebohang hore you are aware that you have to allocate sufficient funds for it to thrive, na joale re na le tsíreletso e kae ho eona, in terms of patency?
Ke hobane ha ho na thuso ea hore e be re ka etsa research either regionally or internationally e recognised empa re sa e sireletsa e le ea Basotho, hobane it is one of the key indicates. Na nka re ke indicate,as it is one of the key elements of any developing state that has its research so patented that you cannot steal it, as it’s protected ha u e hloka u il’o e reka. So, it becomes another source of revenue, ha re na le mokhoa o hlakileng hore re sireletsa maboko a ne a tlileng ka litharollo tsena tseo re ntseng re bua ka tsona. Na e be, ‘Mé, is this part of a bigger project?
Haeba ha ho joalo se ke ipiletsa hore potso ena e qholotsa ka ho ’na taba eno ea hore na re na le tsíreletso e lekaneng hore re tle re re ka letsatsi le leng mohloli oa litaba tseo ho ka rekoang our research e le mokhoa o mong oa ho tlisa mokotleng oa sechaba o teng na?
HON. SENATOR M. MOKHATHALI: Kea leboha, Madam President ha u mpha monyetla ona le ‘na nke ke botse Letona le Khabane.
Ke utloile hantle ha a re li research tsena li etsoa Makaleng a fapakaneng le li-institution tse fapakaneng ka budget ea naha kapa ka nako e ‘ngoe ka thuso ea bafani, joale potso ea ka ke hore na ha Makala a se a ile a kena ts’ebetsong e kaalo ea ho etsa research, mohlomong ka thuso ea bafani, na ebe ba tlameha ka Molao kapa ke boikhethelo ba bona hore research eo e isoe moo re ka reng ke molikong kapa moo e ka tsebang ho etsoa access ke Makala a mang hore e tle e tsebe ho sebetsa na?
Ke tena ke bua tjena hobane kea lemoha hore e kanna eaba lilemo tse peli kapa tse tharo tse fetileng CommonWealth e ile ea thusa Lesotho ho etsa research ea hore na Gender-based Violence e etsa cost e kae ka hara naha, ‘me e ne e bonahala ha ho etsoa research e bonts’a chelete e ngata haholo e senyehang ka lebaka la Gender-based violence. Joale feela kahar’a naha – leha ke se ke sa hopole lipalo tsa teng, empa ha ke bone moo e kang research eno e bonahala e ba reflected to a policy, mohlomong u ne u ka re ke ea Health kapa ke ea maponesa hore na haeba Gender based violence e etsa hore naha e lahleheloe ke chelete e kaalo litsébeletsong tsa ho thusana le li victim tsa eona, na ebe ke eng eo u ka bonang Makala a mang a fapakaneng a e etsa to access research eno hore le ’ona a il’o nyolla taba eno hore chelete e se ke ea lahlehela naha?
Potso ea ka e ne e le hore na Lekala le iketsetsa research ebe e ba ea lona feela, ebe kamor’a moo ha hona moo e sebelisoang ho etsa influence li-policy tse sebetsang Makaleng a mang na?
Kea leboha.
HON. DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Ke qale ka potso ea Morena oa ka oa Matsieng hore Research Development ke sehlahisoa, ke bonono, ke botsebi, ke intellectual property ea motho ea entseng ntho eno kapa ea naha.
Bahlomphehi ba ka, ehlile re sebetsana le taba eo ea li patents le copy rights. Kea kholoa haeba Molao oo ha o s’o fihle ka ho lona ka mona o tla tla o fihla. O ile oa tekoa, kea kholoa ka mane ka Ntlong. Ke Molao o sireletsang tsona litaba tseno tsa bohlahisi, bonono, joalo-joalo, e le hore li tsamaee ‘moho O tla tla o fihla Molao oo ka koano.
‘Mé Mokhathali, kea leboha ka potso ea hao. Ke tl’o sebetsa ka mehlala haholo, ho re ha research e entsoe ha hona ntho e thibelang – ha ke na hore it’s mandatory hore e etsahale, kaha ha ho na ntho e thibelang hore recommendations tsa research li etsoe implement.
Re tseba ka nako e etelele hore ho ile ha tlala li-consultant ka hare ho naha ea rona tsa etsa reports tsa beoa on shelves mane; ha lia etsoa implement, ke lefu la rona re le Basotho.
Ke batla hore ke re ho uena ha u litaba tsa tlhekefetso ena ea basali ka kotloloho, research eo e ile ea etsoa, ‘me haufinyane selemong sena, haeba ha se se fitileng, re fetisitse Molao oa Domestic Violence ka mane ka Paramenteng le e meng e meraro e tsamaeang le litaba tse tsíreletsang basali, bana le maqheku, ‘me litaba tseno ke li-result tsa research ena.
Ka nako e ‘ngoe re li fetisa tjena,_ ‘me ha ho hlokahale hore ho be joalo. Re li fetisitse tjena hobane ho na le lipehelo hape tsa Millennium Challenge Corporation ka compact ena eo re nang le eona.
Letona le Khabane la Gender le ile la tsoa le Liofisiri tse ling tsa hae tsa etsa workshop ka Melao ena ho marena metseng koana hore ho tsebahale hore tlhekefetso ea basali ke taba eo e leng tlolo ea molao Joale ba ntse ba tsoela-pele ba etsa joalo.
Ntho e bang kotsi ke ho emisa. Kaha thuto ha se ntho e tsofalloang, u tla fumana hore ha ho na le e mong ea sa utloang-re lokela hore re ‘ne re rute sechaba hore ho se ho na le Melao e tjena, ‘me ho hlekefetsa bo ‘mé ke tlolo ea molao, ‘me litla-morao ke tsena, le Molao ke ona o teng, joalo-joalo.
So, ho entsoe workshop ho ntse ho rutoa sechaba ka oona, kaha ke litaba tseo re lokelang hore re li nkele holimo hore ha ho ile ha etsoa research e se ke ea sala e lutse feela mono, empa lintho tse ntle re li nke re tsoele-pele ka tsona re li etse assess hore na tse ling li molemong oa rona kapa joang.
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
QUESTION 24: POLICES TO MITIGATE SPIRALLING COST OF LIVING.
HON. SENATOR B.G. API asked the Minister of Finance and Development Planning whether she is aware that there is a crisis concerning the cost of living exhibited by the spiralling high food cost of an average Mosotho household living standard, and if so, what policies are in place to mitigate the crisis?
HON. DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi. Ke kopa ke nke ke lumelloe metsotsoana feela ke phetle Karabo mona.
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Re bua mona ka cost of living le hore na re etsa joang hore sechaba se se ke sa iphumana se le tlokotsing ka lebaka la maemo a bophelo a ntseng a phahama ka boturu ka linako tsena tsa morao-rao.
Taba ena re e hlokometse, Bahlomphehi ba ka, hore ho na le bothata ba hore litheko le lintho tse ling tseo motho a ka phelang ka tsona li ntse li nyoloha letsatsi le letsatsi.
Ke tl’o araba Potso ena, empa ke batla ho le hlokomelisa hore ha re bua ka high cost of living hangata re bua ka chelete e bitsoang inflation, ‘me ke eona eo u tla fumana e ja matla a chelete hore e be chelete ea rona ha e sa re fumanela lintho tseo re li hlokang.
Institution e filoeng matla a maholo a hore e laole boemo bona ke Banka e Kholo ea Lesotho. Joale empa ke tla hlalosa hore na rona ka ‘Musong ka mona re ntse re etsa joang, hobane le rona ha rea sheba feela, ha rea ema feela hobane re re Banka e kholo ke eona e filoeng matla a ho etsa stabilise litheko.
Ke kopa hore ke hlalose hore ‘Muso o hlokometse hore litaba tsena tsa ho nyoloha ha litheko ho na le lintho tse hlahang ka hare ho naha hore ebe ho joalo, empa boholo ba tsona ke lintho tse hlalahang ka ntle ho naha tseo re se nang taolo ho tsona. Ke etse mohlala feela, ho nyoloha ha theko ea mafura ke ntho eo re se nang taolo ho eona, hobane we are not an oil producer, ‘me linaha tse nyollang theko ea mafura ke tsane tse etsang produce mafura.
Ka tsela e tsóanang re tla fumana hore theko ea phofo ea koro e phahame haholo hobane Ukraine le Russia e le tsona tseo boholo li etsang produce koro lefatséng mona, joale li loana. Joale tlhahiso ea bona e theohile; ka hona theko e tla phahama hore ba tsebe hore ba khonang e be bona ba e fumanang. Ka tsela e tsóanang oil e phehang, Ukraine ke eona e etsang sunflower, ’me sunflower e ngata e hlaha mono hore ebe ho tlhotloa oil e ngata ena eo re phehang ka eona.
Re kopana le li-challenge tseo ka nako e ‘ngoe li hlahang kantle ho naha, feela joale li fihla li otla rona ka koano, ‘me ‘Muso o ikelelitse tjena hore o sebetsa ka tsela e tjena. Re rerile hore re nyolle tlhahiso ea temo hore re itemele, ‘me re le naha taba ena e ts’oanetse hore e-be a wakeup call hore hafeela re ntse re itlohetse hore le lintho tseo re ka iketsetsang tsona ebe re tlameha hore re li reke kantle, ehlile joale e ts’oanetse hore ebe a wake-up call ho Afrika kaofela hore re lokela hore tse ling re itlhahisetse tsona, hore e sekare ha ho ba le ntoa e sa re ameng, eo re sa tsebeng le hore na ho tseko’ang, ebe joale re tl’o lapa ka hare ho naha ka mona.
Tabeng eo ea ho nyolla tlhahiso ‘Muso o fana ka khahlametso lisebelisoeng tsa temo tse kenyeletsang lipeo, manyolo le lichefo tsena tse bolaeang mahola esitana le likokonyana. Re tla hlokomela hore ‘Muso o theotse litheko haholo e le ho khahlametsa eona taba eo ea hore Mosotho e mong le e mong eba a ka tseba hore setsibanyana seo a nang le sona sa mobu a se leme.
Ho Budget ena e fetileng re entse allocate chelete e kaalo ka M284 million hore ho rekoe lihlahisoa tsena e le hore li tle li tsebe hore batho ba tle ba li fumane ka tsela e bonolo. Ra ba ra etsa hore litheko tsa tsona li theohe ho feta moo li neng li le teng.
Ka tsela e ts’oanang re ntse re kenya ts’ebetsong maano a thusang hore batho bohle ba be le lijo haholo-holo vulnerable groups, hore ba be le mokhoa oa ho ja.
Taba ena eo ke qetang ho bua ka eona ea bo-phoofo e qetang ho fanoa e hlaha hona ka hare ho naha ka mona e rekuoe ho lihoai tse neng li chaile haholo; le li-food parcel tse tsamaeang le tsona. Taba ena e kenyeletsa malapa ao re tla a bitsa low income families, elderly people with disabilities esitana le likhutsana. Li-food parcel tsena li kenyeletsa basic items tseo re ka reng motho oa li hloka hore a tsebe ho phela.
Joale empa ke ntse ke tla le tsebisa kapa ho le hlokomelisa hore ha se mokhoa o motle oa ho phela, re lokela hore sechaba sa rona se ee masimong. Re na le metsi, re na le mobu.
Le tabeng ena ea climate change, ha re il’o reka manyolo mane rea sheba hore na manyolo a nepahetseng sebakeng sena sa rona ke afeng. Rea sheba hore na lipeo tse nepahetseng tse ka tsebang ho tiisetsa maemo ana a leholimo na ke lifeng hore tlhahiso e nne e-be teng.
Re na programme e bitsoang Poverty Reduction and News Apprehensive Programme, ‘me ke mona moo ‘Muso o fanang ka temporary employment opportunities ho batho bohle, haholo-holo ho ba bacha bao re hlokomelang hore kannete bana ba rona ha ba fumane mesebetsi ho latela mathata ao moruo oa rona o nang le ‘ona hona joale, e le hore ba ‘ne ba fumane bonyane sa ho ea ka mpeng.
Ka mona ka likhoebong tse nyane ho na le li-project tse ‘maloa. Ke tla bua ka project e etsoang support ke World Bank e bitsoang Competitiveness and Financial Inclusion moo ho nang le li-grant kapa financial assistance e fanoang ho bacha, e fanoang ho batho ba bo-’M’e ba likhoebo tse nyane esitana le bo-ntate hore ba iteke hore likhoebo tsa bona li tsebe ho hola ba ‘ne ba tsebe hore ba phele, ‘me haeba ho khoneha, ba etse expand ba be le likhoebo tse mahareng ,‘me kamoso e tle e-be likhoebo tse kholo tse tsebang hore li hire le batho ba bang.
Ka taba ena re leka hore re nyolle tsela ea hore mesebetsi e hlahe. Re otla linonyana tse ngata ka lejoe le le leng.
Ke tla tabeng ea tlhahiso ea lijo (food security), tlhahiso for export, tlhahiso for job creation – ke lintho tse ngata! Le hore batho ba se ke ba tloha libakeng tseo ba leng ho tsona kaofela ra tla subuhlellana Maseru mona, hobane joale re batla hore re fumane mesebetsi. Ka liketso tsena re hopola hore re ka tseba hore re etsa address taba ena ea cost of living e ntseng e phahama.
Kea leboha, Bahlomphehi ba ka.
QUESTION 29. LESSONS LEARNED AS A RESULT OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC
HON. SENATOR M. M. MOSHOESHOE asked the Minister of Health to outline a collection of lessons learned from the Covid-19 pandemic.
Lessons should include inter alia;-
- Lesotho’s preparedness for such similar outbreaks;
- Early warning communication to citizens when similar pandemics break out;
- The country’s capability to meet the medical supplies timeously for patients;
- Policy considerations to mitigate negative impacts of pandemic on the psycho-social being of women, children and old people;
- The importance of community, humility, and technology, especially during lock downs;
- Food security and promotion of primary health care.
HON. PR. N. RAPAPA (on behalf of Honourable Minister of Health): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Karabo potsong ena ke e latelang:
Naha ea Lesotho e ithutile tse latelang har’a tse ling mabapi le lefu la Covid-19:_
- Tlhokahalo ea setsi se ka hokahanyang mafapha ‘ohle a amehang nakong ea seoa, e le hore lintho tsohle tse etsoang li etsoe ka khokahanyo.
- Tlhokahalo ea basebetsi ba bophelo ba koetlisitsoeng ka litaba tsa bofokisi ba mafu le taolo ea lioa.
- Tlhokahalo ea ho tiisa litaba tsa bofuputsi ba mafu ka hare ho Lekala la Bophelo.
Lefu la Covid-19 le re rutile hore ho itlhophela maemo a ts’ohanyetso a ts’oanang le ana esale nako ke eona tsela e nepahetseng. Phano ea lits’ebeletso tsa mantlha tsa bophelo ka khokahanyo le litsi tsa ketsa-molao le mafapha a fapakaneng, ‘me a etsoa ka nako, ho thusa ho thibela le ho laola litlamorao tse ka tlisoang ke mafu a lioa.
‘Muso o lokela ho etsa lintho tse latelang ho ntlafatsa meralo ea phano ea lits’ebeletso tsa bophelo:
- Ho eketsa ts’ehetso ea lichelete le lisebelisoa meralong ea phano ea lits’ebeletso tsa bophelo.
- Ho beha pele koetliso ea basebeletsi.
- Ho beha leihlo, ho tsetela le ho matlafatsa makuka a pokello ea litaba tsa bophelo.
- Ho kenyeletsa sechaba meralong eohle ea thibelo, ekasitana le ho fana ka tlhaloso e hlakileng mabapi le likeletso tsa litsebi tsa bophelo le liqeto tse ka etsoang ke ‘Muso nakong ea mafu a seoa.
- Thibelo e bohlokoa hammoho le thuso.
- Ho theha setsi sa taolo ea khokahanyo ea seoa (public health institute).
- Ho fana ka koetliso ho basebetsi le ho ntlafatsa phano ea melaetsa e le ho fana ka kutloisiso e hlakileng ho sechaba.
- Ho tsetela lipatlisisong tsa boithuto ka nako e le ho fumana litlhoko tsa sechaba le ho li arabela ka nako.
Lekala le khona ho fumana meriana e sa le nako sebakeng sa bakuli ha ho na le tlhoko e potlakileng ka mekhoa e latelang:
- Litlhare ha li le teng Setsing sa Polokelo ea Litlhare (NDSO) li ka fumaneha kapele, ‘me emergency orders lia amoheleha ka nako ea letsatsi ho isa ho matsatsi a mararo ho latela bohole ba sebaka seo litlhare li hlokehang ho sona.
- Empa haeba ho hlokahala meriana e sieo NDSO order e ka etsoa ea fumanoa ka nako ea beke ho isa ho tse ts’eletseng ho latela moo thepa e fumanoang teng.
- Moo litlhare li il’o etsoa ho ka nkoa nako e telele, ‘me re ka nka mohlala oa litlhare tsa Covid-19. Lekala la Bophelo le thehile setsi se sebetsanang le phetisetso ea lisebelisoa tsa bophelo (medical suppliers) ho finyella litsing, ‘me litlhare li fetisetsoa hang litsing, haholo ha e le nako ea tlokotsi.
- Ho tloha NDSO ho ea litsing litlhare li fetisoa kapele ka service e bitsoang express service.
Lekala la Bophelo ntlheng ea maano a lokisetsang ho fokotsa bohloko bo ka bakoang ke khatello ea maikutlo ka lebaka la seoa se ts’oanang, Lekala la Bophelo le ile la kopanya makala ‘ohle a amehang le balekane ba ‘ona moo ho ileng hoa boptjoa tokomane e tataisang taolo ea seoa ka hare ho -naha ea Lesotho, ‘me tokomane eno e bitsoa Multi Hazard Response Plan. Tokomane eo e hlalosa ka botlalo ho bohle ba amehang nako eo seoa se leng teng.
Lekala la Bophelo le boetse la bopa tokomane e tataisang lefapha la khokahanyo ea bofuputsi ba mafu le taolo ea lioa, e leng Public Emergency Operation Centre, e le karolo ea boitokisetso ba ho theha lefapha le joalo.
Lekala la Bophelo le boetse le thehile lefapha le koetlisang basebetsi ba lekala ba ntse ba le mosebetsing. Lefapha lena le bitsoa Field Epidemiology Training Programme. Le koetlisa basebetsi – eseng feela ba Lekala la Bophelo, empa le ba bang ba makala a amehang tabeng ea bophelo joaloka Lekala la Temo le Kanetso ea Lijo.
Bohlokoa ba sechaba, lerato le ts’ehetsano esitana le ts’ebeliso ea marang-rang nakong ea ho khinoa hoa metsamao, li bohlokoa haholo nakong ena ea seoa. Naha ea habo-rona e ka ipapisa le mekhoa e ileng ea sebelisoa nakong ea Covid-19 ea ho kenyeletsa sechaba mekhoeng ea thibelo ea taolo ea mafu a seoa.
Covid-19 e boetse e rutile lefats’e bohlokoa ba likamano tse ntle le ts’ebelisano-‘moho le tlhomphano mesebetsing e fapaneng. Mekhoa e fapaneng ea marang-rang e ile ea sebelisoa ho hasa melaetsa e lemosang sechaba ka mekhoa ea thibelo le ho ipoloka nakong ea mafu a seoa, ‘me khothaletso ke hore re tsoele-pele ho li sebelisa le ho li matlafatsa.
Kea leboha.
HON. SENATOR T. M. MOHALE: Kea leboha, ‘M’e President; le ka karabo ena ea Letona.
Kea kholoa potso ea ka e tla ipapisa le hore litaba tsa Covid-19 ke litaba tsa seoa, ‘me litaba tsa seoa ke ntho e re phehellang linako tsena kaofela. Joale ke ne ke botsa Letona le Khabane hore litabahali tsena tsa bohlokoa na li tla kena ts’ebetsong neng; le hore na mehlala ea litaba tsena tseo a neng a li bala na e ka ba efe?
Ea bobeli, ke ea hore batho ba ile ba kula ke Covid-19 , ‘me rea tseba hore motho ha a ile a ba le mathata a Covid-19 o hloka tlhabollo. Ebe meralo ea tlhabollo malebana le litaba tsee tsa Covid-19 ebile efeng na?
Kea leboha.
HON. SENATOR K.L.K. THEKO: Ke bone eka Letona le ikarabellang tabeng ena le ne le le teng. Ke makala ha a ts’oephoha joale re tla botsa Letona le se nang tsebo tabeng ena. Joale na kannete aka tseba ho araba potso ena e qetang ho botsoa ke Morena oa Tajane?
Kannete ‘na ke utloa ke makala ke hore Letona le ntse le lutse kamoo ebe le ea tsoa le nelehetsa le leng hore nkarabelle potso ee! Na ebe ho thoe e tla be e le ho etsa justice to the question?
Ha ke tsebe leha eba e tla be ese boitlamo taba ena eo u e etsang, Mokuena. Ekare u ka be u e entse defer hore mong’a eona a tl’o tseba ho e araba, hobane e na le litaba tse nang le li scandal hape taba ena ea COVID in Lesotho ka nako eo, joale kea ipotsa hore na u ka tseba hore u ka li araba, kapa ke tlabe ke u tlama?
Taba e kholo ke hore ha re tsebe ho le fumana habonolo, haese ha ‘ngoe kapa habeli ka selemo, hore ha le tl’o araba lipotso – ‘me in ernest, eseng ho li qhela feela.
Ke ne ke re u k’u re hlakisetse, hee, haeba u ka khona hore ts’obotsi ea COVID, ho latela record ea chelete, na ebe u ka tseba ha ntse le lutse on the Cabinet table hore na hantle-ntle lipatlisiso tsena thus far ebe li hokae malebana le ho fumana the culprits tse akaretseng the former ministers? You were lucky because you were not there and nobody was there, joale e se ele khutsana ea lona taba eo. Na u ka re beha leseling la hore na investigations how far they are malebana le litaba tsena tsa COVID?
Ka the results tse ileng tsa hlaha after the investigations na u ka re beha leseling, Honourable Minister? Ke ho re ke mpa ke soaba feela hore letona joale ke leo le chopohile re le shebile, ha re ne re itukiselitse lona, joale ha re sa tseba hore na ebe u ka tseba, ua ba candid, ua re hlalosetsa hore na ho etsahets’eng ka lipatlisiso- the findings? And what of the money e lahlehileng in general – na e ile ea sebelisoa ka tsela efe?
, Na u ka re beha leseling, Mohlomphehi oa ka?
Kea leboha.
HON.SENATOR N.NKUEBE: Kea leboha, Madam President, Matona a Khabane le lona Litho kaofela.
Potso ena ‘na, che, ha ke e bala (mohlomong ke sa utloisisa ho etsahalang) ke utloa eka potso ena e ne e batla e namme haholo e sa bue ka Lekala la Bophelo feela. E ne e re na boithuto ke hore na re ithutil’eng – mohlomong lekala kapa ‘Muso o ithutile eng ka koluoa ena e re hlahetseng ea COVID 19.
Ke utloisisa hore karabo e tla nama, e tla bua e re mohlomong lihoai li ka atameloa tjena, bahoebi tjena, hore mohla koluoa e leng teng ke hore – le lona Lekala la Bophelo ha koluoa e le teng re tlo tla re ets’ang ka morao, kapa ka hara period ea koluoa? Joale ke utloa ha e arabeloa kannete ke utloa ke sa khotsofala!
Potso ea ka e hakaalo feela.
Kea leboha.
HON.SENATOR S.MOTSAMAI: Ha re hle re mo pheiseng, re mo phehe.
Kannete kea leboha, Madam President, Tafole le Litho tse Khabane, Honourable Ministers.
Ke batla ke nyanyeletse ka potso litabeng tsena hore na ehlile moelelo oa potso o ne o batla boitukisetso? Ke hore u nka taba ea the passpart u s’u re u ea pele? Boitukisetso ke bofe?
Honourable Minister of Finance ha a bua ka taba ena ea research o ile a bua ka hore ho ile ha kaba le attempt ea ho etsa setlhare eleng moriana oane o bebofatsang boemo kapa o fihlang o fokotsa impact ea lefu la COVID 19. Ke ‘’nete ka nako eane e ile eaba taba ea sefuba . E leng hore ha ho buuoa ka preparedness mona na ho ne ho sa hlokahale hore re fuoe le efforts tsa hore na ho nts’etsa pele, re le lekala, taba ea hore mohlomong ha re kaba le COVID selemong se hlahlamang – che, ha kere ho tla ba joalo; Molimo a mpa a re baballe. Joale feela ke re na rona boitukisetso ba rona ha re bona litaba tsena ke bofe?
Rea hopola nakong e fetileng e ile eaba taba ea hore ha re na libaka tse lekaneng tseo re nkang tlhokomelo ea batho bao re ba isang. Homecare haeba re nka e le alternative, re e bone joang? Na re bone e le taba eo re reng re na le boitukisetso, hona bo bokae?
Ke utloa eka potso eo ea Honourable member Moshoeshoe ehlile e re isa moo eleng hore, hee, ntho ena ‘na ke utloa e ka re thusa ntlheng ena ea meriana e thethefatsang sefuba sena sa mohlolo se qetellang se holetse tabeng ea COVID. Taba ke ea hore na ha re ba le taba eo, re ba le influx ea batho ba hlahang South Africa ba tla koano, re itukiselitse ho le hokae. E leng hore ’na ke ne ke batla hore mohlomong re hle re hlake ka tsena tse kholo tseo ke li bonang, tseo ke reng na re felletse hokae ka taba eo ea tlhahiso. Rea hokae ka eona?
Ea bobeli, ke taba ena ea ho oka ka malapeng, ho isa litsing tsena.
Ea ho qetela, na re se re ntse re etsa sethaba-thaba sa chelete, hobane lihotele li ile tsa lla mona tsa re le nkile libaka tsa bona eaba ha le ba patale ka nako? Le ba bang hape-hape basebetsi ba ile ba re ba ts’oanela ba fuoe risk allowance; ha ke tsebe hore na e ne ele tsa bokae feela kea hopola taba eo e ne ele teng. Ke hore ho fihlela le bo DA na ba na le eng. Ha b’a fumana batho baa?
Ke hopola re tlameha joale hore re il’o qelisa mane Mazenod, batho ba tsamaea ba il’o bolokoa hona teng ele hobane ho se ho sena mang a nkang boikarabello! Joale le itukiselitse ho le hokae ele hore re qale sethalathala?
Honourable Minister of Finance ke mo rata haholo tsatsing lena – ha ke tsebe na hoban’eng. Ke ho re tsatsing lena ke bona hore re tsamaea hantle haholo, ha a bua o re kannete ha re se ke ra shebelang mona maotong a rona, re shebeleng pele.
Joale feela ha u ka ua hlokamela, u ile ua re, pele feela, so re shebeleng mane, haeba re mona hona joale!
5 years ena _ le nkile period ela ea 5 years, empa le ts’oanela le il’o sheba 5 times 10 hore na re tlabe re le hokae, joale ebe re ntse re ea ka litepe: ntoana lena la ngoana ngoan’ake se lee!
So, e leng hore potso ena ntho eo e e batlang ke e batlang hore na Honourable Minster na o hlokomela taba ena ka mokhoa oo e leng kateng.
Kea leboha.
HON.DR N.RAPAPA: Madam President, kannete lonya ke la Khaloli. Ke ne ke kopa hore e cheche; le mong’a eona ke tla mo fa litaba tsena kaofela.
HON.SENATOR N.NKUEBE: Kea leboha. Hape-hape, Madam President.
Ke bona eka ena Setulo ha se ea lekala ke ea cabinet kakaretso.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Kea hlokomela! Setulo se hlokomela hore le haeba e tobisitsoe cabinet hakaalo, empa ehlile e tl’o arajoa ke Letona la Health, ‘me o ne a lokela ho tla kannete. Joale ka ha litho li se li boletse ehlile ha ea etsetsoa toka potso ena; e ne e lokela e pharalle joalokaha u boletse, Morena oa ka, ‘me le Ntate Honourable Senator Motsamai kannete o sa ntse a ba hlaloselitse hore na hantle ba ne ba e sheba hore na e lokela e arabe lipotso. tsa mofuta ofe.
Rea leboha e se e chechile, ‘me Letona le tla hlalosetsoa litaba tsena, le bolelloe hore ha a lokela hore a etse qobacha, a khutle, a siee karabo e ngotsoeng, hobane hoe e ho be le linyanyeletso tsa lipotso.
Kea e feta potso eo, Litho tse Khabane, ke bitsa potso e hlahlamang ea Honourable Senator Mopeli.
HON.SENATRO R.MOPELI: Kea u leboha, Mohlomphehi. Ke hlomphe Litho tse Khabane le Matona a Khabane.
Mohlomphehi, ke kopa ho botsa potso ea mashome a mararo.
QUESTION 30. LIFE SPAN OF DIAMOND MINES IN LESOTHO
Honourable Senator so and so asked the Honourable Minister of Natural Resources to deliver a comprehensive brief to the Senate regarding the following:
- How many diamond mines are fully operational in Lesotho, and what is their life span;
- Are there prospects to open new diamond mines or any other mines in the next five years;
- Are there any plans to improve the country’s shareholding in the mines;
- What is the current government’s policy on Artisanal and Small Scale Mining commonly known as Peke le Kharafu in Lesotho?
HON.SENATOR J.A.MOTS’OENE: (Ntlha ea Tsamaiso).
Mohlomphehi, kannete ke ema ka Ntlha ea Tsamaiso.
Ke ‘nete Honourable Minister ha ke tsebe haeba ehlile o ne a ema ahlile a araba potso ena ea Setho se Khabane, empa ha u sheba polelo ea pele feela potsong ena ea Setho se Khabane ho na le moo a buang ka hore a fane ka leseli le felletseng. Ntlha ea ka ea tsamaiso ke hore na ebe Honourable Minister o tla fana ka leseli le felletseng, hobane le rona re le tjee ho na le nyanyeletso eo re nang le eona, hobane re ithutile litaba tse ling – ‘me ha ke batle e tle mo hlaise hampe, Mohlomphehi? Ke ne ke re na ha ho betere hore a e tlohele?
MADAM PRESIDENT: Ha re tlohele Letona le tsoelepele ka karabo. Ke mpa ke hlokomelisa Setho se Khabane feela hore ha ho botsoa Letona lefe kapa lefe potso ha ba se ba le mona ke boikarabello ba bona ho araba, hobane litaba tsena li kopanetsoe, empa, hee, ere re mo fe monyetla oa hore a cho hore na karabo e r’eng.
HON.DR. N.RAPAPA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
ke utloile eka Setho se Khabane se ne se ts’ireletsa Setho se Khabane sa Senate sa mehleng, joale ha ho be joalo, hle, Morena oa ka
Ke ne ke kopa ke fane ka karabo mona merafong ea taemane e sebetsang ka hare ho naha ea Lesotho hajoale, e mene. Ke Lets’eng,Kao, Mothae le Liqhobong. Lets’eng e salletsoe ke lilemo tsa ts’ebetso tse 12, ha Kao li le 9, Mothae li le 7, ‘me Liqhobong eona li le 8. Leha ho le joalo, lilemo tsena li ka eketseha holatela mesebetsi ea boithuto e ntseng e etsoa ka hare ho ts’ebetso matsatsing ana. Kao le Liqhobong li na le meralo ea ho etsa ts’ebetso e joalo eo re lebeletseng hore e tla eketsa nako ea ts’ebetso ea merafo ena. Hape merafo ea Kolo le Lemphane e tla buloa haufinyane.
Naha ea Lesotho e na le pokello ea majoe a lihloliloeng a litaemane, eleng ho bitsoang Kimberlite e fetang makholo a mane eo ho eona mashome a mararo a metso e ‘meli a hloailoeng a ena le litaemane. Ke leano la ‘Muso ho nyolla kuno e hlahang limmaeneng ka mekhoa eohle. Hoo ho kenyeletsa ho nyolla seabo sa ‘Muso ka hare ho merafo. Ka lebaka la litjeo tse holimo tsa ho qala le ho tsamaisa merafo, ha ho bobebe ho fumana seabo se batlang se le tlase haholo, ka hona ‘Muso o tlameha ho sheba mekhoa e meng hape ea ho ba le seabo haholo limineng tse qalang ho etsa mosebetsi.
Lekala le tl’o etsa boithuto ka mekhoa eo peke le kharafu li ka kenyoang ts’ebetsong ho sa rojoe melao ea thekiso ea taemane mebarakeng ea lefats’e.
Kea leboha.
HON. SENATOR R.MOPELI: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Ke kopa ho nyanyeletsa mona, Mohlomphehi, hore, Mohlomphehi, ke hopola hore ho na le molaoana o neng o fete mona hore Basotho ba rafe ka peke le kharafu. Joale ke ipotsa hore na ebe taba eo e ntse e sebetsa, hobane ke ntse ke utloa bo-mabare-bare ba re molao oo ha o s’o fete ‘Muso o ts’oere molao oo oa hore Basotho ba sebetse ka hore ba rafe ka peke le kharafu! Na ebe ho joalo, Mohlomphehi?
Taba ea hore Basotho ba sebetse ka ho rafa ka peke le kharafu na taba ee e ntse tsoelapele kapa ehlile le e ts’oere ke ‘nete, Mohlomphehi?
HON. SENATOR N.NKUEBE: Kea leboha, Madam President.
Ke nyanyeletsa hona tabeng ena ea Morena oa ka Morena Mopeli.
Tabeng ena ea peke le kharafu, ke botsa Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane hore ke hopola hantle Paramenteng ea leshome re ne re e-na le eena ka mona. Moea o ne o le mong; ene ele hore Molaong oa pele le kharafung ebe Mosotho eane ea hae. So, re ka re ke letsoalloa kapa ka Sekhooa hoa thoe ke Indigenous Mosotho. Na leano e ntse lona leo, hore hore Molao o fete kapa o ntse o tlo tsoelapele ho thoe ke Basotho, kapa joale o re le baa ba bang ba tlileng ka bojaki na?
Kea leboha.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Honourable Senator, ke kopa ho fa Morena oa Lioli pele ho uena.
HON. SENATOR S. G. MASUPHA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Ka lehlohonolo taba ena eo ke kenang ho eona, ke nyanyeletso ea Morena oa Mose ho Seaka.
Mohlomphehi taba ena ea peke le kharafu, ho na le moo e ileng eaba le khang lipakeng tsa Paramente ea Senate le Paramente ea Bakhethoa, hoo ho qetelletseng ebile taba ena ba e phamola feela. Rona ene ele ka moea o motle.
Na taba ee, Mohlomphehi, e hlokometsoe ke ‘Muso ona o teng litulong hona joale, hore taba eo e ntse e na le khang? Re ne re ile ra eletsa ‘Muso hore taba ena e lokisoe, empa ho bonahala ‘Muso ono o ile oa ithiba litsebe!
MADAM PRESIDENT: Morena oa ka oa Leribe.
HON. SENATOR J. A. MOTŠOENE: Ha ke u lebohe, Mohlomphehi Madam President.
Ke mpa ke re feela ho Letona le Khabane mona moo ho buuoang ka meralo e teng ea ho ntlafatsa liabo tsa naha ea Lesotho ka hará merafo ho tloha ho 30% ho ea holimo, ebe sekepele seo ‘Muso o bonang eka se ka tsoela naha ena molemo ekaba bokae?
Hona karabong ela ea hae ha a re lipatlisiso li ntse li etsoa, na ke bana ba Basotho ba unang molemo ka lipatlisiso tseo tsa mofuta o joalo kapa ke batho ba tsoang kantle?
Ea ho qetela, Mohlomphehi, ele hona ho latela taba ea meralo ee, tabeng ea thuto ea rona, na ha ho bonahale eka ekaba bohlokoa hore ho curriculum ea rona re ke re fetole maano, re ke re kenye lithuto tse tla arabela taba ea lihloliloeng tseo re nang le tsona ka hare ho naha na?
HON. SENATOR K. L. K. THEKO: Ke ema ka Ntlha ea Tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Ntlha ea Tsamaiso Setho se Khabane Morena oa Thaba.
HON. SENATOR K. L. K. THEKO: Kannete, I sincerely think it would be prudent to deffer these questions hore li tl’o tla li arajoa ke beng ba tsona, because joalo ka ha Morena oa Lioli a supa, we had an argument and a difference of opinionon the issue ea Indigenous Mosotho as one who can profoundly be given the leverage ea hore ebe eena ea chekang ka kharafu le peke.
Joale empa ka hobane the previous Minister in the previous Government had an interest ea hore mohlomong le Ma-China ha a se a entsoe Indigenous (kapa e ba Basotho) ebe ba ba le mokhoa oa hore le bona ba ka e isa Basotho kapa ba ba feta eaba le bona eba bachiki.
Ka hona, ekare re ka emela Minister Moleko hore a be teng. Le ena ea Morena ea kabo ea curriculum, it is very fundamental. It will be injustice hore Ntate a tl’o araba litaba tsena hHa ke mo telle, I know he is capable as I have lived him in this House. Ke sebelitse le eena ka bokhabane, ha ke mo eise hohang.
Joale empa molemong oa potso le karabo ea eona, ebe u ke ke oa ba mohau, Mohlompheh,i hore re e etse deffer; Ntate Mochoboroane a tle, Ntate Moleko a tle re tl’o bua ka litaba tsena?
Le ba bang ba ratang hore ba nehelane ka lipotso, joale ha li na le supplementary questions – Supplementary questions are very fundamental, because e ka ‘na eaba Morena ea itseng o botsa potso feela, empa ha ke khahloa hore ke etse potso le ‘na, ruri ke fuoe tokelo eno.
Ke hore ebile e teng in the Standing Order, ha se taba eo re iqapelang. Ka hona kopo, Mohlompehi
( che u se u ntse u le Ntate…
[Interrupted by loud laughter from the floor]
Ke hore re ke re mpe re etsetsoe taba ea mohau, hle, hore Potso e tl’o arajoa ke beng ba eona, hobane joale Ntate a ke ke a tseba ho araba the supplementary questions on any other matter, leha a ka a rata!
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Honourable Minister.
HON. MINISTER PROF. N. RAPAPA (Minister of Education and Training): Aee, kannete, ke amohela boeletsi hore e tle e cheche! O tla tla Ntate Moleko.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Letona le Khabane, ke kopa potso e hlahlamang.
Honourable Senator Mohale.
HON. SENATOR M. T. MOHALE: Kea leboha, hle, Madam President. Joale ha ke tsebe hore na ke e botse potso eno kapa ke ‘ne ke mathe litabeng tsa Morená ka.
Ke kopa ho botsa potso ea 31.
QUESTION 31. ABSOLUTE POVERTY IN LESOTHO
Honourable Senator M. T. Mohale asked the Honourable Minister in the Prime Minister’s Office, whether he is aware of the endemic poverty in Lesotho which is preponderate amongst rural dwellers, and if so;
a) What programmes [short, medium and long term] does he intend to formulate in order to reduce poverty with focus on root cause;
b) Is there any package of policies designed to bring together relevant Ministries to address structural changes in access to education by the poor rural communities, agricultural resources, health services, social grants, employment opportunities, distribution of income etc. as ways to root out absolute poverty in Lesotho?
MADAM PRESIDENT: Honourable Minister.
(Question number 31 was deferred)
MADAM PRESIDENT: Potso e hlahlamang ,Honourable Senator N. A. Bereng.
HON. SENATOR N. A. BERENG: Oa ntaela, Morena, MadamPresident, o re ke mo botsetse potso ea 32.
QUESTION 32. ESTABLISHMENT OF A DEVELOPMENT BANK FOR LESOTHO
Honourable Senator N. A. Bereng asked the Honourable Minister of Finance and Development Planning whether there are plans for her Ministry to advocate and establish a National Development Bank for Lesotho? That it is common knowledge that Development Banks provide medium and long term capital for productive investment and financing of development in all its senses; and if so, how soon will such a bank be established in Lesotho for Basotho?
MADAM PRESIDENT: Honourable Minister for Finance.
HON. MINISTER DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Potso ea 32 e bua ka establishment ea National Development Bank, ‘me karabo ea eona ke e latelang:
Mohlomphehi, ‘Muso o ntse o le boikemisetsong ba hore o tle o thehe banka ea ntlafatso, ka eona tlhokomelo eo ea hore ehlile libanka tseo re nang le tsona ke libanka tse commercial, empa tse sa tšoareng lichelete tse boima haholo tsa nako e telele. ‘Me development bank e ka ba eona karabelo ea litlhoko tsa rona tsa financing.
Empa ke kopa ho hlalosa hore re ntse re etsa boithuto ka taba ena, ‘me boithuto ba rona re ntse re bo etsa le banka e kholo ea Lesotho ele ho sheba hore na taba ee e sebetsoe ka tsela e joang. Ea pele, ke ea hore e hloka capitalisation e kholo, ‘me ho ka ba molemo ha re ba le Development Bank, hore joalo ka ha re tseba, esebe ea ‘Muso.
Rea tseba hore re ile ra ba le libanka mona tsa ntlafatso,empa libanka tseo ha li ka ba tsa re phelela ka lebaka la bohlasoa ba tsamaiso bo ileng ba ba teng ka hare ho tsona.
Ha re sheba re ntse re etsa boithuto, re hlokomela hore linaheng tse ‘nyane joalo ka ena ea rona, libanka tsa ntlafatso ha li sebetse hantle haholo ka lebaka la hobane li hloka capital e ngata, ebile li hloka hore li be le business e ngata for sustainability. Joale empa ho sebetsang hantle haholo ke lintho tse bitsoang Development Finance Institutions kapa Institutes.
Re na le ntho e bitsoang Lesotho National Development Cooperation ( LNDC). LNDC ha se hakaalo-kalo hore e etsa mesebetsi e ‘meli. Ekare ke Development Finance Institution but boholo ba mesebetsi eo e etsang, ke promotion ea investment; hase hakaalo-kalo financing.
Ntse re shebisana le Letona la Khoebo hore na re etsa joang hore LNDC e sebetse ka tsela eo e ka tsebang ho thusa Basotho. Kapa na ke hore e etse mosebetsi o le mong; haeba ke investment promotion e etse investment promotion, ebe ka theko ho thehoa Development Financing Institution eo joale eona e ka tsebang hore mosebetsi oa eona ebe funding kapa financing ena e hlokahalang, eka tsebang hore e tsebe le ho etsa manage risk tse tlang tseo institution ea mofuta o joalo ha ngata e kopanang le tsona.
Ka hare ho LNDC re fumane hore botsebi ba taba eno boa fokola, ke ka hona mohlomong Development Financing e sa etsahaleng hakaalo-kalo, ba sekametseng haholo ka mona ka Investment Promotion. So, botsebi bono boa fokola. Litaba tsona tse kang tseo tsa hore re lokela ho aha botsebi, joale re ikeletse re etse Development Finance Institution eno mohlomong e ka thoko ho LNDC, ebe tsona tseo re tla li sebetsa.
Bahlomphehi ba ka, le ha ke cho tjena le hlokomele ke ile ka qala ka hore morero oa ‘Muso e ntse ele ho etsa Development Bank. Ntho eo re e hlokometseng ke hore Development Bank eona e ntse ele ntho e hlokahalang sebakeng sa naha. Empa moo re leng teng in terms of development hona joale tjena ke hore e ke ke ea sebetsa habonolo. Ke mokhoa ona re reng ke interim, ke Development Finance Institution. Joale ebe ha re tloha mono re etsa graduate re re re se re le moruo o nang le business e ngata, joale ebe re ba le a Development Bank ekabang sustainable because business e le teng.
Ke batla hore ke re, Mohlomphehi, haeba taba ha e ea utloahala hantle, ke belaela hore e hloka hore ke e thatiselletse. Development Bank e tlaba a longer-term goal. Ha ke re bonnyane ba naha bo ka etsa hore Development Bank ese be sustainable ke hobane hona joale tjena re na le libanka tsena tse ‘ne ka hare ho naha ka mona, eleng libanka tse tharo tsa Africa-Boroa le ena ea rona ea Poso.
Bophelong ba ka bo fetileng, re lekile ka hohle le bao ke neng ke kena lieteng tsa bona hore ho kene libanka tse ling ka hare ho naha ka mona li tl’o thusetsa, ele hobane re re joale libanka tsena tse nyenyane li ikoalla ka sechaba ka taba ea charges, fees linthonyana tse itseng tsa hore ha li fane ka credit ho Mosotho e mong le emong… Every Investor ha e etsa Invest ka hare ho libanka, eo re neng re mo lata, bo Absa bo mang kaofela, ba ne ba re banka e tsoelapele hantle ha e na le scale.
Lesotho we are 2 million people, ha re le 2 million joalo ha re hole, ha re fokotsehe…
(Interrupted by the loud laughter from the floor)
Ha rele 2 million joalo, a banking institution ha e tla ka koano e tla batla hore ebe le volume e ngata ea clients hore ebe profitable. So, re lokela hore re hole re le moruo pele, re bontše kholo eno joale ebe Institution eno e tlang e tsebe hore there is business in Lesotho. Taba ena e nkhopotsa e ‘ngoe hape eo ke ee ke kopane le eona, Mohlomphehi, ea li-audit firm. Hore re na le li-Audit Firm, empa for li-Institution tse kholo tse kang bo Central Bank, ho na le lipehelo tsa hore li etsoa audit ke li Auditfirm tsa lefats’e kapa tse neng li bitsoa The Big Four. Re ne re loana mehla ena le Institute ea haeso ka mane e bitsoang Lesotho Institute for Accountants, because ba re The Big Four ha e na presence koano, joale ha re re re lata The Big Four hore e tl’o ba le presence mona ba re, ‘lea bapala’. “We are used to horee be re etsa business where we get billions”. Where will we get billions ka har’a economy e nyane hakaale?
So, we have to grow this economy hore some of the things li tsebe ho etsahala hantle. Hape re kopa hore re arabe ka hore Development Bank e ntse e le morerong oa ‘muso, empa hona le meoloane e tlang pele ho mono, e tla tla e re thusa hore re habelle ho ea mono.
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Litho tse Khabane, ke kopa hore re otla- otleng kapelenyana re tsebe hore ka ha Letona le se le le teng le tle le tsamaee le arabile Lipotso tsena tse mo amang.
HON SENATOR K.L.K THEKO: Ke ne ke re I appreciate Minister’s fact ea hore hantle e ka ba bokhabane ha Development Bank e ka ba ntho eo e seng ea ‘muso.
Ebile o bua ka pharalatso le kholiso ea moruo in order to make banks to be attracted to come into Lesotho, joale ke ne ke re nke ke utloe maikutlo a hae kajeno e le eena a ts’oereng marapo, a kile a ba le Bankeng e kholo ho e tsamaisa lilengoana – hore re ke re lumellane le eena hore na e be ha a talima ntho eo ho thoeng ke National Planning Board, according to Section 105 ea Molao oa Motheo, u e nka e le joang?
Ke hobane ‘mebuso e fetileng, ka ntate Ketso, e ne e faole National Planning Board, ea bitsoa Advisory. Na ekaba eena chebo ea hae ka thuso ea li-assistant tsa hae… hobane ke ne ke utloisisa feela hore e ne ele for selfish interests of the Minister who wanted to spread his wings at that time hore taba ea moruo e seke ea etsa emanate at the base of the people.Thathe must be a solitary person kapa entity e ka iketsetsang liqeto without any assistance.
How do you faola ntho e seng e ntse e robetse? It is because ha esale Molao ona oa Mothe, o kena ts’ebetsong ka 1993 ha o ka oa ba oa fumana justice and support e lekaneng (ha re e-s’o e bone e phela). Ka 1993 e ile ea khethoa. Ke hopola litho tse ling tsa eona tse fokolang bo Dr. Moteane, bo ntate eo honeng ho thoe ke Jack Mopeli and others, eaba e ea robatsoa. Ha e sale e robatsoa. Ekaba eena joale ha a bolela hore ha re etse plan within the next time…
Re mpa re re feela, “ke tla sebetsa ha ke ntse ke fuoe mosebetsi ke le ka hará 5 years eno ke le Minister”. Mohlomong ere ka mor’a 5 years ena e tlang, ra be re se re na le Minister e ‘ngoe! Kahoo ke hore na eena vision ea hae, ka ts’ebeliso ea ho lokisa moruo oa naha ea Lesotho, ebile ba ipolelisaka ka moruo oo re sa o boneng, e le khoelehetso feela, na a ka hla a tiisa hore na e be eena taba ee ea National Planning Board u bona e le ntho e ntseng e sena thuso, e tlamehang hore e lule moo entse e faotsoe kapa a ka e fa matla, a e enta, ea mo thusa, joale sechaba se tle se tsebe ho bona se etsa participate se na le platform ea eona in terms of eona National Planning Board..?
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
HON SENATOR M.T. MOHALE: ‘M’e President, kea kholoa potso ea ka kapa nyanyeletso ea ka e ne e ipapisa le hore ha ho buuoa ka banka ea ntlafatso – kea kholoa ke molemong oa hore ho be le mokhoa oa hore Basotho ka mekhahlelo eohle, ba le likojoana li mahetleng, ba be le mokhoa oa ho fumana kalimo ea lichelete moo litjeho li sa phahamang haholo. Joalo ka ha ‘M’e e le motho oa Lichelete, e be litaba tsa likoporasi – motho, che, ha u ntse u sheba, u ee u bone likoposari e le tsona motheo oa moruo oa linaha tse holileng. ‘Me mohlomong ‘M’e a ke a re tataise hore na haele mona re tsetselela hore sechaba se fumane mokhoa oa ho kalima lichelete, ba sena letho, ebe li koporasi li ka thusa joang molemong oa Sechaba? Hape ke hore na hore Basotho ba be le kutloisisi e felletseng, ba be le thuso e felletseng ea hore na likoporasi li sebetsa joang molemong oa ntlafalo ea naha ho ka etsoa eng? Ele hore feela Mosotho ha atla koporasing, a tle mono a na le kutloisiso e hlakileng ea hore na hore e le motho, e le matsema kapa e le batho ba phelang metseng, mokhoa o nepahetseng oa hore likoporasi tsena li sebetse hantle molemong oa hore qetellong ea letsatsi re se ke ra ba le mathata a ho fumana batseteli ba nang le chelete…
Kea leboha.
HON SENATOR J.A. MOTS’OENE: Ha ke lebohe, Madam President.
Ke ne ke mpa ke re joalo ka ha ntate Mohale a se a e otlile, ke e nonts’e Potso ena ka hore ke utloile Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane a bua ka litaba tsa hore the Financial Institutions li batla li beha naha ea rona tsietsing (haeba ke utloile hantle).
Ke re na likoporasi, joalo ka ha Setho se Khabane se bua, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane, ho bile le likoporasi tse ngata tse bileng teng Lesotho mona. Ke tla etsa mohlala feela, Lesotho Building Finance Corporation. E bile koporasi e ileng ea beha bophelo ba batho ba bangata maemong a betere haholo a bophelo ntlheng ea hore ba tsetele le ho li-business tsa li-estate tse ntseng li tsoela pele le ho sebetsa le kajeno.
E be ho kaba joang ha ekare tsona likoporasi tse joalo, haeba ho na le li-company tse private tse hlahang ka ntle kapa batseteli ba hlahang ka ntle ho naha kapa Basotho bana ba teng ka har’a naha, eba ka mona mohlomong rea ba kopanya, ea hla ea ba ntho eane eo re neng re e tloaetse ea letsema, ebe ba khutlela matsemeng ane ao esale ho sebetsoa ka ‘ona? Ebe joale ba sebetsa ka matsema ano mesebetsing e lumelloang ke bophelo ba morao tje na?
MADAM PRESIDENT: Litho tse Khabane, re salletsoe ke nako e nyane haholo. Ke ne ke re ke fe Morena oa ka oa Mokhotlong hobane ha a s’o re letho, e le oa ho qetela ho nyanyeletsa potsong eo.
HON SENATOR L.M. SEEISO: Kea leboha, Madam President. O tsose rona ba sa bueng haholo.
Potso ea ka e khuts’oane haholo ka ‘nete. Letona le Khabane le buile hore ehlile ha se bohlokoa hore Development Bank e etelloe pele ke ‘muso, ‘me ehlile ke lumellana le eena hore private sector should be in the forefront. Ke ne ke na le ba Central Bank maobane, ba fana ka lipehelo tse boima tsa ho tla alima ho banka, ‘me potso ea ka ho bona e ne e le hore na ba ets’ang hore Basotho ba tsebe ho kena libankeng? Ehlile ha batho ba kena khoebong, ba oela, ba tsoha. ‘Me ke bona e ka ‘muso ona oa h’eso o batla hore ho se ke be hoaba le banka e oelang ho hang, ke mokhoa ona ba beileng lipehelo tsa ho kena bankeng hore li be extreme so that there is no risk of default.
In any economy e nang le li-entrepreneur, likhoebo lia nyoloha lia oela. Bona hoa bona, ke hore ba rute batho hore na ho tla etsahala’ng. Joale potso ea ka ke hore na ba etsa’ng hore Basotho ba tsebe ho kena libankeng?
Kea leboha, ‘M’e President.
HON DR. R. MATLANYANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi. Ke kopa ke li otle kapele, ‘M’e, joalo ka ha u ne u se u ntse u re nako e ea fokola.
Maikutlo a ka, ka taba ea National Planning Board; ke kopa hore taba ena ke re ke ntse ke ithuta hore na haele hantle Planning Board e ne e reretsoe eng. Ha ke s’o qete boithuto ba ka, empa at face value ha ke e sheba – le kamoo ke seng ke utloisitse kateng, ‘na ke ne ke utloisisa hore ho hantle, ho ba Namibia e ntse e na le eona Planning Commission. E bitsoa Planning Commission ho ba bang.
Ho hantle hore e be teng, ‘me kea e ts’ehetsa hore e be teng. It means, however, it should be capacitate, with skills tse nepahetseng hore li ka tseba hore li etse plan for naha, li etse plan going forward, hape e be le matla a lekaneng hore li-plan tseo e bang ho lumellanoe ka tsona e be ke tsona tse tla nts’etsoa pele. Leadership ea eona has to be very strong and protected hore e etse lintho tse tlaba molemong oa kholo ea naha, but more importantly, tse long term, tse tla ‘ne li tsoele pele le mebuso e meng.
Ke mpa ke ntse ke ithuta hore na hae mona e ka etsoa structure ka tsela ea mofuta o joang hore e tle e re tsoele molemo.
Ha ke tsebe hore na Morena oa ka ha a re ho na le lintho tse neng li tlositsoe – ke life, tse neng li le teng ho eona and so forth. Ke hona moo ke reng ke sa ntsane le ‘na ke sheba hore na e lokela hore e be ka tsela e joang, le hore na ke ling tseno tse neng li tlositsoe. But as an idea, I am for it hore e be teng! Joale feela e tle e etsoe strengthen ka capacity le batho ba e etsang manage le some sort of independence ea hore ho se ke hoa kena-kenanoa le eona hore e tle e tsebe hore e re etse guide.
Ho builoe ka litaba tsa likoporasi le hore na li ka sebetsa joang. I think ke maikutlo a matle, e bile Likoporasi li ile tsa ‘na tsa ba teng. Ntho eo ke neng ke e hlalosa, ke hore re ile ra ba le likoporasi joalo ka Building Finance. Ha ke tsebe hore na e ne ele koporasi kapa e ne e le eng.
Bahlomphehi ba ka, re lipaki hore likoporasi tsa rona ha li phele nako e telele ka mabaka a fapaneng. Kea kholoa re lokela hore re tle re khutlele morao, re il’o nyakurela hore na hoban’eng ha li sa phele nako e telele.
Mohlomphehi e mong ea nkhakang ka lebitso o ile a hoelehetsa a lutse ka thoko ka mane, a re: “ba ja chelete, ke balotsana, ke masholu”. Ha ke tsebe, e ntse ekaba ke tsona lintho tse etsang hore e be bosholu le ho se ts’epahallane, hobane koporasi ke ntho e member based. So, li-member tseno tse ka mono, li khetha batho ba joang hore ebe ba ea ba li tsamaisa? What are the safeguards tse etsang hore chelete ea li-member ebe e bolokehile ka moo? What are the safeguards tse etsang hore re re, leha ho etsoa plan re ba le maikutlo a ts’oanang a eang nq’a e le ‘ngoe moo re reng ke plan ea rona mona?
Tsietsi ea rona re le Sechaba – tsietsi ea rona eo ‘na ke eeng ke e bone ke hore, ke tla etsa mohlala feela e tle e seke ea nkuoa ha mpe, haeba ho bua Tona-Kholo, a bua ka merero ea hae, ka ‘nete ke lutse ka setopong ka mane, ke ntse ke roka lieta, I have a say ea hore na Tona-Kholo o tlameha hore a tsamaise naha ena joang. Ha ho bua motho oa molao, a tsejoang e le motho oa molao, I have a say ea hore na ba ka be ba entse case eno joang, ba sa e etsa joang. Ha ho bua an economist, e mong oa hlaha o re tjena, ‘me le bolong motho ea ka thoko o re, ‘a ka be a e rahetse mang-mang’.
Taba eno e re hlolisa litaba, leha re na le botsebi ka har’a naha ea rona. Re ka ba le maikutlo, but maikutlo ano a se ke a re qabanya hobane botsebi boo, ho na le lintho tseo li bo tsebang, tseo ka ’nete e bang bothata hore motho a ka ema mono, joale a hoelehetsa Lesotho lena kaofela hore, ‘ke tseba hona le hona, ntho eno eo u nts’u e bua uena, e ke ke ea sebetsa – ua ba araba, ua etsa joang’.
So, ha ke tsebe, empa taba ea tsamaiso ha e ka neptjoa, kea kholoa e ka re thusa, le taba ea hlomphano hore ha motho a filoe boikarabello bo itseng, ebe ehlile o fuoe ka ‘nete le ka tieo, hobane a na le botsebi ba ho etsa ntho eno eo a e etsang mono. Re mo hlomphele ho etsa joalo.
Kea kholoa ntho ena ea hore qetellong re beha batho bao e seng litsebi libakeng tse itseng, joale ebe ba etsa liphoso, ke eona e bakang taba eno ea hore kaofela joale eba e se e ba setha-se-oele; Likoporasi lia oela. Likoporasi li ka sebetsa, kaha lia sebetsa linaheng tse ling, hantle haholo, feela ha se lichaba tse litigious joaloka rona tjena. Ke batho ba lumelang tsamaiso, ba lumelang ho tsamaisoa. Ke batho ba ts’epahallanang bao u tla fumana likoporasi tsa bona li tsoela pele.
Re ile ra ba le Agric Bank mona, re ile ra ba le Lesotho Bank as a Development Bank, but ho etsahetse joang? Ho jeoe, hoa nkoa chelete, ea ba ha e khutlisoe! Chelete eo ke ea mang? Ha ke re ke ea sechaba? Ha e se e nkiloe, joale sechaba se na le deposit mono, ke boikarabello ba mang? Ba ‘Muso, hobane e ne e le ea ‘Muso. What does it do to the fiscals? E fihla e nka likhafeng mane, tse neng li ts’oanetse hore ebe li ea tsoelo-peleng, joale re tl’o patala batho bana ba jeoeng. That is the nature of financial institutions. Chelete eo li e ts’oereng ha se ea tsona. This is why the requirements, Morena oa ka, li tla ba very difficult, hore na who manages lintho tsa mofuta o joalo,’me o ts’epahala ha kae, background ea motho eo ke efe, litsebo tsa hae ke tsa mofuta ofe. That is because chelete eno eo a il’o e ts’oara ka mono ha se ea hae, joale a ka tloha a e sebelisa hampe.
Re tla tla re e qoqa, Mohlomphehi oa ka, ke qetele. Ka ’nete ke lumellana le taba ea hore financial institutions ha li etsoa own ke ‘Muso ehlile li kenya ‘Muso tsietsing eona eno ea hore – hangata ha ke re re tla khethana hore e tla tsamaisoa ke mang? Ka nako e ‘ngoe eseng ka merits, joaloka ha ho etsahetse naheng ea rona ka nako e telele. Re tla be re…
HON. SENATOR S.K. MASUPHA: Nka lumelloa ka Ntlha ea Tsamaiso, Mohlomphehi.
HON. DR. R. MATLANYANE: Ke ‘ne ke tsoele pele, Mohlomphehi?
MADAM PRESIDENT: Re mo fe a qetele, Setho se Khabane?
HON. SENATOR S.K. MASUPHA: E-ea, Mohlomphehi.
HON. DR. R. MATLANYANE: Oo, Ntate, kea leboha.
So, ke ne ke re li beha naha tsietsing, hobane ha Banka e se e oele, kapa a financial institution e se e oele, e le ea ‘Muso, the bail-out e hlaha from the Government, empa Government e ne e sa itokisa, ebile e se na resources tsa ho etsa bail-out that institution. Athe ha e le ea private sector, ha re hloke ho e etsa bail-out, hantle e etsoa wind hore e tsebe ho patala batho. The liability stays with the company, hore e ‘ne e tsebe ho patala batho.
So, ha li le private li ka sebetsa hantle likoporasi le tsona financial institutions, ‘me ke hona moo ke ntseng ke cho hore ‘Muso ha oa lokela ho kena. Kea kholoa as a matter of principle, ho kena ka har’a khoebo o ka etsa facilitate, because ‘Muso is not a business. Ha rea koetlisetsoa ho etsa run likhoebo re le policy-makers. Che! I am speaking for myself, because I am a policy-maker at heart, a co-policy-maker. Ha kea koetlisetsoa ho etsa run khoebo, therefore ha u ka re ebe re tl’o etsa run khoebo, ka ’nete e tl’o oela.
Kea leboha.
MADAM PRESIDENT: U nts’u na le Ntlha ea Tsamaiso, Honourable Senator?
HON. SENATOR S.K. MASUPHA: E-ea, Mohlomphehi. Kea kholoa ha se le taba e thata ka ’nete.
Ntlha ea Tsamaiso eo ke hlahang ka eona ke ea hore na ebe Mohlomphehi a ke ke a re lumella – na ho ka ba bohlokoa hore Mohlomphehi a re lumelle hore re tsoele pele ka taba ee, hobane ho nts’o bonahala hore e khaolelitsoe re ntse re na le litaba?
Taba ena ke taba ea bohlokoa haholo ea ntlafatso ea nts’etsopele, ‘me re ne re na le litaba tseo mohlomong li neng li ka thusa ‘Muso. Na ebe e ne e ke ke ea eba bohlokoa, Mohlomphehi, ka Ntlha ea Tsamaiso hore na taba ee e ne e ke ke ea fetisetsoa pele, re tle re e qetele ka nako e tlang joaloka tse ling na?
MADAM PRESIDENT: U n’u re a tle a tle a tl’o le hlalosetsa ka litaba tsee, li monate haholo, ha lea qeta litaba tsa lona?
HON. SENATOR S.K. MASUPHA: Re tl’o e qetela, Mohlomphehi, ha e-s’o fele. Re ntse re na le litaba tseo re neng re batla re ke re ts’oelle Basotho hore ka ’nete e hlake ho feta mona.
MADAM PRESIDENT: It is a proposal.
‘M’e Letona, ua amohela hore u tla etsa joalo?
HON. DR. R. MATLANYANE. Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Kea amohela, Mohlomphehi, ke mpa ke batla ho hlakisa hore, Morena oa ka, ke ile ka bolela ha ke qala hore ‘Muso o nts’o le morerong oa ho etsa Development Bank, empa ke leeto ho il’o fihla ho eona mono; ha se ntho ea hore re ka re hang-hang tjena. Re ts’oanetse re fete meoloane e itseng, ho fihla re etsa graduate, re fihla mono, empa haeba ho na le mokhoa oa hore re ka e qoqa hape, eba ho na le maikutlo a itseng, I am willing hore e ka kenngoa hape, ‘M’e, re tle re e qoqe, le ‘na mohlomong ke tle ke fumane boeletsi.
Kea leboha.
QUESTION 33. NON-PAYMENT OF PART-TIME LECTURERS AT LESOTHO AGRICULTURAL COLLEGE (LAC).
Hon J.A. Mots’oene asked the Minister of Education and Training if he is aware that four (4) part-time lecturers contracted by the Lesotho Agricultural College, namely: Khajoane Motema, Manana Dingane, Thabo Mahamo and Seth Mojaki have not been paid their wages since they signed contracts with the school during the 2022 – 2023 academic year.
If the Minister is aware, how soon shall LAC pay the wages of those part-time lectures?
HON. DR. N. RAPAPA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Ke hlokometse hore meputso ea Benghali Khajoane Motemo, Monama Dingane le Thabo Mahamo e ile ea liehisoa ke hobane Lekala le ne le emetse tumello ea ho lefa, ho hlaha Lekaleng la Lichelete le Ntlafatso ea Meralo, ka ha litefo tsa meputso li ne li kenyeletsa le meputso ea selemo se fetileng (ho bitsoang arrears). Leha ho le joalo, tumellano ena ea ho lefa, e fihlile Lekaleng ka la 6 khoeling eona ena ea 11/2023, ‘me methati ea ho lefa e se e qalile, ka ha tsohle li se li le moo ‘Muso o patalang, e leng Treasury (Lekaleng la Lichelete).
Kea leboha…
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QUESTION 34. INTRODUCTION OF FRENCH LANGUAGE IN CURRICULUM.
Hon. J.A. Mots’oene asked the Minister of Education and Training the following questions in regard to the introduction of the language;
- When was the French language introduced in the curriculum;
(b)What was the rationale behind the introduction of the language;
©How many schools in Lesotho teach French language;
(d)Has there been an impact assessment on the introduction of French language to the curriculum
(e)If yes, what has been the impact of the introduction of French to the curriculum?
HON. DR. N. RAPAPA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi. Ka selemo sa 2010, Boemeli ba naha ea Fora bo ile ba atamela ‘Muso oa Lesotho ka ts’isinyo ea ho kenya Puo ea Sefora, e leng e ‘ngoe ea lithuto tse rutoang likolong. Ka selemo seo, ho ile hoa khethoa likolo tse 12, e leng tse latelang:
- St. James High School
- Soophia English Medium
- Leribe English Medium
- Sacred Heart High school
- Methodist High School
- Maseru High School
- Sefika High School
- New Millennium High School
- Thetsane High School
- National University of Lesotho International School
- Ts’akholo High School
- Pius XIII Qacha’s Nek
Empa Sacred Heart kamor’a lilemo tse peli e ile eaba ha e sa tsoela pele ka thuto e joalo, ho fa ngoana oa Mosotho litsebo tse tla mo beha boemong boo a ka fumanang mosebetsi lefats’eng ka bophara.
Kahoo ho kenyeletsa Sefora Lenane-Thutong e ne e le katamelo ea ho beha ngoana boemong ba machaba.
Ka tsela e ts’oanang, Lesotho Language Policy le eona e na le sepheo sa ho fa ngoana oa Mosotho menyetla e ts’oanang le ea ba lefats’e lohle, ‘me se ne se phethahatsoa ka ho kenyeletsa Puo ea Sefora Lenane-Thutong.
Selemong sa 2023, e leng sena seo re leng ho sona, likolo tse seng li ruta Sefora li 46, ‘me litichere tse rutang Sefora, tse pataloang ke ‘Muso oa Lesotho, li 75.
Boemeli ba naha ea Fora, bo sebetsa ‘moho le Lekala la Thuto, bo ile ba etsa hlahlobo ea ho sheba hore na Puo ea Sefora e ntlafatsa thuto ea ngoana oa Mosotho joang. Hang ha lipatlisiso tsena li phethetsoe, tse fumanoeng li tla phatlalatsoa.
Leha ho le joalo, National University of Lesotho e na le Lefapha la Puo ea Sefora, ‘me matichete le baithuti ba etsang Sefora ba etela naha ea Fora, ho ichorisa le ho nts’etsa lithuto tsa bona pele selemo le selemo.
Hangata ha ho na le liboka tsa machaba Lesotho koano, Basotho ba entseng Sefora eba karolo ea interpreters, ho fetolela puo Seforeng, ka ha le linaheng tsa Afrika tse ling puo ea Sefora e sebelisoa haholo. O mong oa monyetla o moholo ke moo u fumanang hore litsi tsohle tsa United Nations, ha u sheba lipapatso tsa tsona tsa mesebetsi, ba bonts’a hore motho ea nang le tsebo ea 2 languages, tseo e seng tsa habo, tse sebelisoang lefats’e ka bophara, li mo fa monyetla o moholo oa ho fumana mosebetsi.
Ke e meng ea menyetla eo Sefora sena se fanang ka eona ho bana bana ba Basotho.
Kea leboha.
MADAM PRESIDENT: Ke bona Honourable Senator mong’a potso le Honourable Senator Mokhotlong.
HON. SENATOR J.A. MOTS’OENE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi. Kea kholoa nke ke ka ba molelele.
Mohlomphehi, ke kopa hore ke botse Letona le Khabane hore kea utloa hore na likolo tse rutang thuto ena ea Sefora li kae ka har’a naha ka mona le matichere kea utloa a se a le mangata a rutang taba ena.
Ke mpa ke ts’oenngoa ke taba eo a e buileng feela ea lipatlisiso tse ntseng li etsoa. Taba ke hore na lipatlisiso ha li ntse li etsoa, ha li senyetse bana nako? Ke bua tjee ha ke re na ha li ba senyetse nako – nakong eane eo ba tlang NMDS mona, ngoana a pasitse ka Sehlopha sa Bobeli, ebile ho kenyeletsa le puo ena ea Sefora, joale a ea ka Sekolong se Seholo sa Sechaba, a fihla a batla ho ea etsa Lengolo la Molao, e le taba e pelong ea hae, kapa eo ehlileng a ipabolang ka eona, joale ka mane ka NUL e re, e-e, Sefora ha se kenelle lithutong tseo (ebile eseng NUL, empa Manpower, eleng NMDS) ho latela melaoana e re tsamaisang rona NMDS mona, Sefora ha se kenelle mona.
Na, Honourable Minister, ua bona ke ho nyotobetsa tjantjello ea ngoana, hore joale a tsoele pele ka thuto na? ‘Me haeba taba eno ho hlokomeleha hore NMDS ha e etse consider, eaFrench, e le e ‘ngoe ea lithuto tseo ngoana ha a pasitse ka li-Credit tseno tse ‘ne, tseo ba li hlokang, haholo thutong eno eo NUL e buang ka eona, e e hloka, joale ho lokisetsoe hore ho etsoe molao kapa melaoana e tla bebofaletsa bana hore ba ee sekolong na?
HON. DR. N. RAPAPA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Taba ena ke tla ke ke e fumane, hobane ka tsebo ea ka, bana ba etsa apply likolong, ebe ba amoheloa likolong. Joale ere ha bana ba se ba amohetsoe likolong, ebe likolo li thathamisa lenane leo bana ba kopeloang scholarship ka lona,’meba thathamisoa ho latela hore na ba entse perform joang in results tsa bona tsa high school. Ke tla ke ke e fumane, mohlomong le Morena oa ka o tla nthusa hore na joale e ee e re ngoana ha a hlaha lethathamong le tsoang Sekolong leo a kopeloang hore a kenelle e le mokhahlelo oa hore a thusoe ka lihlapiso ebe bothata bo ba teng, hobane hangata ehlile ho nkoa manane a tsoang likolong a se a ntse a thathamisitsoe ka likamohelo tsa teng.
Kea leboha.
MADAME PRESIDENT: Litho tse Khabane, ke kopa ho le hlokomelisa feela hore ho na le Kopano e lokelang ho qala ka hora ea pele ea College of Chiefs ‘me ke ne ke kopa re etse wrap-up re tsebe ho ba lokolla hore ba tsebe ho ea Kopanong ea mofuta o joalo.
HON. SENATOR. L.M. SEEISO: Kea leboha, Madam President.
Ka’nete kea leboha haeba Sefora se kene lithutong tsa rona; e ntse e le hantle, hobane ho ee hothoe bana ba rutoe lipuo tse ngata ba ntse ba le banyenyane ba tla li tseba kaofela. Joale empa taba ea ka haholo ke puong ea Sesotho.
Ke ts’oenngoa ke hore Melao eohle eo re e bonang ka mona boholo ba eona e ngotsoe ka Sekhooa. Honouarable Minister, u etsang hore puo ea Sesotho e ahoe kapa e etsoe develop hore le rona ka moo ha re bala Molao, ba sa tsebeng Sekhooa, re tsebe ho ipalla ka Sesotho?
Le banna bane ba h’eso ba Mokhotlong koana ke ee bone eka democracy ena e ba siile, hobane leha le re le etsatsa li- consultation le bua le bona ka Sekhooa, le ba fa Melao ea sekhooa.
Kea leboha, Ntate.
HON. SENATOR. P. S. MATHEALIRA: Kea leboha, Madam President.
Ke mametse hantle likarabo tsa Mohlomphehi Letona.
Ea ka ke concern ke taba ea religion. Bana ba ne ba etsa religion likolong,empa ha ba sa e etsa. Joale re na le bothata ba bana ba seng ba sa ts’abe Molimo.
Ebe Mohlomphehi Letona taba ee u tla e lokisa neng?
Ea bobeli, Mohlomphehi ke hore bana ba entseng graduate ka Roma ka September, ba entse graduate feela ba se na li transcript,joale ebe lebaka ke lefe, Mohlomphehi Letona?
HON.SENATOR. N.NKUEBE: Kea leboha, Madam President.
Ho na le taba e ‘ngoe eo ke ileng ka kopana le eona (mohlomong le tse ling tsa Litho tsa Matlo ana a mabeli a Paramente) ea hore ho fumanehile hore boithutong ba batho ba nang le boikarabello bo joalo hore bana ba ithuta betere le ho ba le kutloisiso e batlang e pharaletse ha ba rutoa ka puo ea bona.
Ke kopa ho botsa na Lekala la Thuto ha le es’o fumane ho le bohlale hore ho qalelloe hore bana ba naha ee ba rutoe ka puo ea habo bona na?
HON. DR. N. RAPAPA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Ke tle ke qale mona hore ho Constitution ea naha ea Lesotho, e leng Molao oa Motheo, ho ntse ho bonts’itsoe hore lipuo tse amohelehang Lesotho mona tseo hothoeng ke official languages ke Sesotho le Sekhooa. E leng hore hantle e ntse e le boikarabello ba ‘Muso hore litokomane ba leke hore li ngoloe ka Sesotho le Sekhooa, ‘me ke taba eo re tla e sala morao.
Ha ke feta ke tla ho ena ea religion. Ke ‘nete ho na le litaba tse ileng tsa etsoa nakong ea ho feta ha ho hlahlojoa Curriculum, ho bileng ha qetelletse ho khothalelitsoe thuto eo ho thoeng ke Life Skills Education e ntseng e na le karoloana ea religion ka hare ho eona. Joale empa re tla ke re hlahlobe hore na e ka eketsoa joang, haholo Likolong tsa Mathomo le tse Bohareng.
Mona moo khothaletso e leng hore bana ba rutoe ka puo ea bona, hantle khothaletso ke hore bana ha ba le banyane haholo lihlopheng tse tlaase ho sebelisoe puo ea bo bona, hobane ba tla utloisisa kapele, empa ha ba ntse ba thuthuha ba rutoa le Sekhooa u tla fumana hore lipuo tseno li sebelisoa li le peli.
Kea kholoa bothata bo eeng bo be teng haholo ke Lithutong tsa Mahlale moo u fumanang mantsoe a mang a sitoa hore a fetoleloe puong ea rona ea Sesotho, empa khothaletso e ntse e le hore mane primary, haholo mokhahlelong oa pele, Sesotho kapa puo ea habo e sebetse haholo ho feta lipuo tse ling.
Taba ena e ntse e le qholotso ho Lekala la Thuto hore re ntse re tl’o etsa policy ea hore libakeng tse kang Quthing le libakeng tse ling, mohlomong matichere ana a rutang bana haholo lihlopheng tse tlaase tsane, lehaeba ba ba ruta lithuto tse fapakaneng ebe ba tsebang puo ea mono, hore ba tle ba tsebe ho bua le bana, hobane taba eno ea thusa.
Ke e ‘ngoe ea liqholotso tse kholo tse etsang hore bana ba se ke ba thabela sekolo ha a fihla mokhahlelong oa pele oa sekolo a utloe puo eo a sa e utloisising e etsa hore a se ke a rata sekolo.
Ke ts’ehetsa taba eno, kea leboha.
Ka’nete ke tla e sala morao, Mohlomphehi, hore na hoban’eng University e sa fane ka transcripts, hobane hantle ha ho sebelitsoe hantle, ka graduations ceremony motho o fumana certificate ea hae, empa transcript o e fumana le pele ho mono.
Kea leboha.
MADAME PRESIDENT: Litho the Khabane, on behalf of the Senate re kopa hore re etse extend our gratitude ho our two Ministers ka’nete ba arabileng lipotso tse ngata, tse matla. Ba li arabile ka ‘nete eohle le ka matla, ‘me le tseo ebang li chechile re utloile mabaka ao li chechisitsoeng ka ‘ona.
ke oona mosebetsi o tsoileng matsoho oo re o lebeletseng ho Matona a rona.
Litho tse Khabane, Ntlo e tla phomola ho fihlela hosane ka 10:30 a.m. Meanwhile Litho tsa College of Chiefs li hopotsoa ka Kopano ea bona e tlang ho ba ho tloha hona joale ka hora ea pele.
ADJOURNMENT
Thereupon Madam President adjourned the house without question put pursuant to standing orders.
The House accordingly adjourned at 13:06pm
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