KINGDOM OF LESOTHO
PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES
SENATE CHAMBER
DAILY HANSARD
OFFICIAL REPORT OF THE SENATE
FIRST SESSION – ELEVENTH MEETING
ELEVENTH PARLIAMENT
WEDNESDAY, 3rd JUNE 2026
LENANE LA LITHO TSA NTLO EA MAHOSANA TSA PARAMENTE EA LESHOME LE MOTSO O MONG
| 1. Hon. Seeiso B. Seeiso | Principal Chief of Matsieng |
| 2. Hon. Joel A. Motšoene | Principal Chief of Leribe |
| 3. Hon. Sempe Gabasheane Masupha | Principal Chief of Ha ’Mamathe, Thupa-Kubu, Teya-Teyaneng le Jordan |
| 4. Hon. ’Mamolapo M. Q Majara | Principal Chief of Ha Majara |
| 5. Hon. Tumane Matela | Principal Chief of Makhoakhoeng |
| 6. Hon. Moeketsi Moletsane II | Principal Chief of Taung |
| 7. Hon. Lerotholi Mathealira Seeiso | Principal Chief of Mokhotlong |
| 8. Hon. Lerotholi L. Seeiso | Principal Chief of Likhoele |
| 9. Hon. Theko D. Bereng | Principal Chief of Phamong |
| 10.Hon. Mojela T. Makhaola | Principal Chief of Qacha’s Nek |
| 11. Hon. Seeiso S. H. Nkuebe | Principal Chief of Quthing |
| 12. Hon. Nthupi A. Bereng | Principal Chief of Rothe, Masite, Serooeng, Letšeng, Kolo Ha Mohlalefi le Thaba-Tseka Ha Ntaote |
| 13.Hon. K.L.K Khoabane Theko | Principal Chief of Thaba-Bosiu |
| 14. Hon. Mitchel S. Maama | Principal Chief of Ha Maama |
| 15. Hon Moholobela M. Moholobela | Principal Chief of Matelile |
| 16. Hon. Bereng G. Seeiso Api | Principal Chief of Ha Ramabanta le Kubake |
| 17. Peete Lesaoana Peete | Principal Chief of Koeneng le Mapoteng |
| 18. Hon. ’Mako T.Mohale | Principal Chief of Tajane, Ha Ramoetsana le Ha Mohale |
| 19. Hon. Khoabane T. Mojela | Principal Chief of Tebang, Tšakholo le Ha Seleso |
| 20. Hon. Retšelisitsoe Mopeli | Principal Chief of Botha-Bothe |
| 21. Hon. Pontšo S. Mathealira | Principal Chief of Tsikoane, Peka le Kolbere |
| 22. Hon. Qeto Sekonyela | Principal Chief of Malingoaneng |
| 23. Hon. ’Mawinnie Kanetsi | Senator |
| 24. Hon. Lebona Khoaele | Senator |
| 25. Hon. Thabiso Lebese | Senator |
| 26. Hon. ’Maphakiso Lebona | Senator |
| 27. Hon. ’Mabataung Patricia Mokhathali | Senator |
| 28. Hon. Sehloho Henry Monatsi | Senator |
| 29. Hon. ’Makholu Moshoeshoe | Senator |
| 30. Hon. Neo Matjato Moteane | Senator |
| 31. Hon. Seabata Motsamai | Senator |
| 32. Hon. Richard Ramoeletsi | Senator |
| 33. Hon. Limpho Tau | Senator |
PARLIAMENT OF THE KINGDOM OF LESOTHO
SENATE CHAMBER
WEDNESDAY, 3rd JUNE 2026
The House assembled at 10:30 a.m.
(MR. VICE-PRESIDENT in the Chair)
PRAYER
The Chaplain led the House in Prayer
ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM THE CHAIR
MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: Kea le lumelisa Litho tse Khabane le ho le amohela Tulong ea kajeno.
Ke na le Litsebiso tse seng ngata haholo, kea kholoa li ka ba ‘ne feela. Joale empa ke ne ke kopa hore ke li lelekelle ka tse sa ngoloang, ka hore lea tseba Litho tse Khabane hore ke Laboraro kajeno, ‘me ha e le Laboraro kamehla ntle le haeba ho ka etsoa tsebiso e ‘ngoe e fapaneng, le tsela eo re sebetsang ka eona ha e le Laboraro tjena, ke letsatsi leo Litho tse Khabane li etsang Lipotso ho Matona a Khabane ‘me tebello ke hore le kajeno ho ntse ho tla ba joalo.
Ke hlokometse hore Lipotso ha li ngata. Ke Lipotso ho Matona a mabeli feela kajeno. Ke bona Mohlomphehi Letona le le leng feela ha ke bone le leng. Feela he, ke ne ke re ke le hopotse Litho tse Khabane hore kajeno ke Letsatsi la Lipotso ‘me ho ntse ho tla ba joalo. Ke Lipotso tse tharo feela.
Ho tloha mono, Tsebiso e ‘ngoe ke hore re amohetse Sets’oants’o sa Molao sa Payment Systems Amendment sa 2025 ‘me ke kopa hore Litho tse Khabane le fuoe likopi tsa Sets’oantso seo, se se bile se fetela Komiting ea Ketsa-Molao.
Re boetse hape-hape re amohetse Report ea Auditor General ea Selemo se fellang ka li 31 March, 2024, ‘me ke kopa ka tsela e ts’oanang le fuoe Likopi tseo tsa Report ea Auditor General.
Ke boetse ke kopa hore hape-hape Litho tse Khabane li fuoe Litlaleho tsa Komiti ea Ketsa-Melao hore li ithute tsona. Litlaleho tseno ke Report on the National Assembly Electoral Amendment Bill, 2026 le Report on the Assessment Council of Lesotho Bill, 2025.
Ea ho qetela, ke hore hosane ka Labone la la 04/06/2026 re lebeletse hore Bahlomphehi Matona a mabeli ba tle ba be teng ka koano, ba tl’o tataisa le ho fetisa Lits’oants’o tsena tsa li-Report tsena tse peli, tseo ke qetang ho fana ka tsona, e leng sa National Assembly Electoral Amendment Bill, 2026 le Assessment Council of Lesotho Bill, 2025.
Kea leboha, Litho tse Khabane.
Next Item, Mr. Clerk.
HON. SENATOR. S.K. MASUPHA: (Point of Order): Ke u hlomphe Ntate u le Motlatsi oa Madam President, Ke hlomphe Letona la ka, ke hlomphe Litho tse Khabane, Tafole ea hau, Baeti ba rona ba teng kajeno.
Taba ena ke e nka-ke lumela ke uena ea tlang ho nkeletsa Mohlomphehi, ke e nka e le Ntlha ea Tsamaiso. Maoba ha re ne re lokela hore re tl’o tla re eba le Letona la rona ka koano, e leng Mohlomphehi Lesaoana, Letona leo ke le hlomphang, leo ke le ratang. Ka mehloli ea ka e ts’epahalang, ke ile ka fumana hore Mohlomphehi, o tsoile Ntlo ena ea rona fats’e, eaba o fana ka excuse ea hore oa kula, o lokela ho ea ngakeng, a ke ke a tseba ho ba ka mona kahar’a Ntlo, Mohlomphehi.
Ke soaba haholo ho fumana hore letsatsing lona leo, ka morao ho tinare, Mohlomphehi o ne a le ka mona ka National Assembly. Ke ipotsa hore na ebe taba ee u e fumane ka tsela efe, ho fapana le ena eo ke e fumaneng Mohlomphehi?
Ntho e mpuisang ke hore ke ile ka soaba hobane, ke ile ka buella Letona la ka e le hobane ke mo tseba e le motho oa bohlokoa, ea tsebang ho etsa mosebetsi ka boitelo. Joale empa ke ile ka utloa ke soaba ka hore ke etse Point of Order ea hore ho mpe ho phomotsoe Ntlo, e le hore ho tle ho tsejoe ho fumanoa hore mohlomong Mohlomphehi eka ’na eaba o moraonyana oa tla.
Ka morao ho moo, re qetelletse re fumana tlhaloso ea hau ea hore ho thoe o ngakeng oa kula ‘me ke ile ka fumana ke soaba Mohlomphehi, hore ebe Mohlomphehi Letona o tsoile Ntlo e kana-kana ea Mahosana tlase, eena a iketsetsa mesebetsi ea hae e ka thoko ka ho re thetsa ka hore oa kula, Mohlomphehi, ke soabile ka ‘nete.
Kea leboha.
MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: Kea leboha Morena oa ka oa Lioli. Bekeng e fetileng ka Labone, re ne re loketse hore ebe re ile ra ba le Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane ka koano, a tl’o tla a tataisa Sets’oants’o sena sa Molao sa Chlidrens’ Protection and Welfare Bill.
Re tla hopola hore Tlhophiso eno, e ne e ile ea etsoa pejana eaba ho bonahala a ke ke a ba teng kapa, o ile a kopa hore a tl’o tla a fetisa litaba tseno ha ele Labone la beke eona eo e fetileng.
Ho joalo Mohlomphehi Morena oa ka oa Lioli, re ile ra lebella hore Mohlomphehi Letona o tla ba teng. Joale empa u tla hopola hore e itse ha re bona re sa mo bone, eaba re phomotsa Ntlo 15 Minutes, re re re ke re il’o fumana hore na ebe Mohlomphehi Letona na bothata bo ho kae. Re ile ra mo fumana ka ‘nete ‘me o ile a re bolella hore bophelo ba hae ha bo botle, e leng Tlaleho eo ke ileng ka khutla ka tla fana ka eona ka koano.
Taba eo ke sa kang ka e hlalosa ke ea hore o ne a ile a re ha re ka mo emela nako e ka etsang hora o nahana hore a ka tseba ho tla ba teng. Joale ka re aee! Ka ‘nete re ke ke ra tseba ho etsa joalo, ra emisa Ntlo hora! Re tla u fa letsatsi le hlahlamang hore u tle u tsebe ho tla ba teng.
Taba eno e ne e bolela hore litaba tsohle tse amanang le bophelo ba hae, o ne a nahana hore kamor’a nako e ka etsang hora, a ka tseba hore a itokise mohlomong o tla be se a qetile litaba tseo a neng a ntse a li sebetsa. Ka ‘nete ke ile ka etsa qeto ea hore re ke ke ra mo emela.
E leng ho re Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane was ready ho tla after an hour joale ka ha re ne re se re ile ra le emisa ka ‘nete. Re ne re ke ke ra le emisa nako e fetang eo,’me ha nka ba ka le tsebisa hore o itse ke le emise hora kapa ke kope Ntlo hore e eme hora o tla tla a fihla.
E leng ho re u ka ‘na oa re, it’s not surprising hore ebe o ile a ba teng in the National Assembly in the afternoon because within an hour ka morao hore re bue le eena, o ne a re within an hour kapa ka morao ho hora, o tla be a le teng ka koano.
Ke ne ke re, ke mpe ke hlalose litaba tseno, empa he, o teng a ka otlolla litaba moo a hlokang hore a li otlolle. Ekare litaba tsena tsa Bophelo, li ile tsa mo tsietsa haholo letsatsing le fetileng feela eaba ha ho be le communication. Ha ho nepahetse, re ne re ts’oanetse hore ebe re ile ra etsa communicate le Mongoli oa hae e Moholo, o ne a ts’oanetse hore ebe o ile a tsebisa Mongoli e Moholo kapa a letsetsa Setulo ka kotloloho hore a se tsebise hore o na le bothata.
Kea kholoa ke e ‘ngoe ea lintho tseo re ts’oanelang hore re ke re li ntlafatse kamoso. Tlhopho e hle e-be hore moo mathata a leng teng, ho be le communication e le hore le rona re tsebise Ntlo, not only that, re etse re-adjust kapa re hlophe bocha meralo ea rona ea letsatsi leo.
E leng ho re litaba li joalo Mohlomphehi, taba eno eo u emeng ka eona-Ntlha eo ea Tsamaiso, eo u e meng ka eona ehlile e joalo feela. Litaba li ka ona mokhoa ona ona.
Ha ke tsebe haeba Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane pele re tsoela-pele, a ka rata hore a otlolle hore na what actually transpired?
HON. P. LESAOANA (MINISTER of SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT): Kea leboha Mohlomphehi Motlatsi Mookameli.
Ka ‘nete kea tseba hore Morena oa ka oa Lioli ke motho a nthatang haholo on a personal level, ehlile taba ena e tlameha e mo utloisitse bohloko hore a ka ba a ema ka Ntlha ea Tsamaiso.
Ke kopa hore ke e hlalose, Bophelo bona ba ka ehlile boa soko-solisa tjena, feela joale ke motho ea bopehileng ka hore ha ke nke sick leave ha esale e le ‘na Bophelong ba ka. Ebile ha ke lumelle lingaka hore li ‘ngolle eona. Ehlile ha ke kula ke kenya litaba tseo ke tlamehang ho li etsa hona lipakeng unless joale ehlile bokulo bo nkhanela, e le bona bo nts’itisang hore ke sebetse.
Ke kutse ka la maobane joale kaha Mohlomphehi u cho ha ke ne ke tlameha ho tla ka la hosane. Haeba u ka sheba ka la maobane leno u ne u tla bona hore around 4 or so ke ile ka tsoa ka National Assembly ke siea mosebetsi.
Ke ile ka ea ngakeng hona hono mane Vitality. Ke ile ka entoa ka ente tse peli, ke hore ke ile ka tlameha ho sekama hobane ke ne ke entoa mona… ke ile ka entoa ka ente tse peli, ka fuoa le lipilisi, ka fuoa le moriana o mong. Ngaka e ile ea ntjoetsa hore moriana ono o ka ‘na oa nts’itisa ho tsoha but the condition eo ke neng ke le ho eona e ne e batla ke etse rest kapelenyana.
Ke na le ntho eno ea ho etsa shoot, kea tseba Bahlomphehi b’a tseba ha koloi e lahleheloa ke timing. ‘Mele oa ka o etsa joalo. Joale ke na le ho etsa shoot li-temperature le ntho tsohle at once.
Joale ka ‘nete ehlile the following day e ne e le ha ke tlameha ho tla ka mona. Ke ‘nete ke ile ka hloloa ho tsoha. At the time ‘M’e P.S a ntetsetsang a re “u nts’o batloa ka National Assembly” ke ne ke ntse ke robetse feela ke ile ka etsa boikhathatso ka letsetsa Mohlomphehi Motsamai hobane ke eena eo ke nang le linomoro tsa hae.
Ke eena ea ileng a mphetisetsa ho Ntate Motlatsi oa President hore ke bue le eena, ke ha ke tla bua le eena ke mo joetse hore ka ‘nete Mohlomphehi ke sitiloe ho tsoha, kea kula.
Joale hona tjena ke tsositsoe ke call ea ‘M’e P.S a re ke ntse ke batloa ke ha ke tla re ho eena feela nka tsoha ha nka lumelloa ho fuoa hora hore ke itokise, in an hour nka fihla Senateng mono.
Nka tsoha ka tla ‘me Ntate Motlatsi oa President o ile a re ‘se ke oa hlotse u tsoha re tla tla re e lokisetsa letsatsi le leng.’ Ha ke hopole hantle, ke sa re ke ile ka e etsa cite hore e ka ba ea ka ke ne ke nahanne hore ho tla etsahala eka ke ile ka re feela National Assembly ke tla be ke le teng kamor’a tinare.
So, le hona mona ke ne nka ‘na ka tla. Le hona tjena Bahlomphehi ke ntse ke tla mosebetsing, ehlile ke ntse ke e-s’o be hantle, feela like I say, I don’t believe in a sick leave, so I never take one.
Kea leboha, Bahlomphehi.
MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: Ke Ntlha ea Tsamaiso, Dr. Lebese?
HON. SENATOR DR. T. LEBESE: Ae it’s a matter of privilege Ntate Vice-President, ke ipapisitse le Standing Order sa 30 (3) The President shall then state whether the matter may or may not affect the privileges of the Senators or the Senate: Provided that if he or she deems it necessary he or she may defer the decision until the next sitting of the Senate.
E khuts’oanyane haholo Ntate.
Ka letsohong la hau le letona Ntate Vice-President, Oh! ke u hlomphile Ntate le Tafole ea hau. Re na le bathrooms, ke ka letsohong le lets’ehali. Ka hare ho linkhoana tseno tseo Bahlomphehi ba li sebelisang, ho ee ho ts’eloe majoenyana tjee a etsang absorb that ammonia, joale ha e-s’o ka a ts’eloa.
Mohlomphehi, ke bipetsane ‘na mona moo ke teng, ha ke tsebe hore na Morena oa Lioli o ikutla joang. Ka ‘nete re ne re kopa Tafole e ke e re thuse hle ka ‘M’e ba ts’ele li-absorbent tse mona tsa teng, it’s actually bad.
Re kopa thuso hle, Mohlomphehi. It’s a matter of Privilege ha se le Point of Order, Ntate.
MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: Re kopa boemo bono bo ka mono hle bo lokisoe Litho tse Khabane li se ke tsa bipetsana mono li tsebe ho ba le seabo ka koano.
Re lebohile Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane. ‘Nete e salang ea taba ke ea hore u ile oa ba teng in the National Assembly in the afternoon. Ha rea ka ra e bua, re ile ra bua tsa ka mona feela empa re lebohile haholo ka tlhaloso ea hau.
HON. SENATOR M. KANETSI:
118. FEEDBACK ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF LESOTHO DUAL CITIZENSHIP INTRODUCED BY EIGHTH AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION ACT, 2018 was deferred.
MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: Potso ea 118 e tla checha, feela Litho tse Khabane ke ne ke batla hore ha ke qeta ho cho joalo, ke hlalose hore Potso ena ha e le mona e checha kajeno, e fumana star sa boraro. Joale in terms of Tsamaiso ea ka koano ka Ntlong, Letona le Khabane la Sepolesa le Home Affairs ha le sa na tokelo ea ho araba Potso ena. E se e fetela ka holimo ho eena, e leng hore e se e tla tla e arajoa ke Leader of the House.
Ha a e araba, ha a tl’o araba Potso ena feela, o tl’o boela a re hlalosetsa hore na ke ka mabaka afe Potso ena e chechileng libeke tse tharo kaofela, almost a month e sa arajoe. O tlameha ho tla re hlalosetsa mabaka ano joale a tle a kholise Ntlo ena e Khabane hore na ke ka mabaka afe e sa arajoang. Ke hore na ke eng ntho e sitisitseng hore Potso ena e arajoe ka nako e telele hakaalo.
Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane, ke uena ea teng ka mona u le mong feela u le Setho sa Cabinet. Ka ‘nete ‘na ke batla ho etsa boipiletso hore ha Lipotso li le teng ka mona, hle li fuoe priority. Ha Lipotso tsa Litho tse Khabane li le teng li fuoe priority hobane Lipotso tsena lia be li sa tsoe ho bona ka nako e ‘ngoe, empa leha li tsoa ho bona, they need to be given priority. Lipotso tsena li ee be li tsoa ho batho bao ba ba eteletseng pele metseng koana, e leng batho bao ehlileng ba sebeletsoang ke Puso.
Joale ho bohlokoa haholo hore ha ba botsitse Lipotso li arajoe, ba se ke ba qetelletse le bona ba lahleheloa ke ts’epo ho Litho tse Khabane ba re ‘leha u ka ba oa fa Litho tseno tsa Paramente Lipotso ha hona thuso hobane le bona lipotso tseo u ba fileng tsona ha li arajoe’.
Ka ‘nete ha e ntle taba ena, we need to correct it. Feela hee Potso ena ea Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane la Home Affairs and Police ke ne ke kopa ke hlakise hore ha a sa hlola a e araba, e se e tlameha hore e arajoe ke the Leader of the House. Joale ka ha ke hlalositse, o ts’oanela a tl’o fa Ntlo ena mabaka a kholisang hore na ke ka mabaka afe Letona la Home Affairs and Police le sitiloeng ho araba Potso ena for a period of 3 weeks.
Kea leboha, Litho tse Khabane.
Ke Ntlha ea Tsamaiso?
U be sure Morena oa ka, tsoela-pele haeba ke Ntlha ea Tsamaiso.
HON. SENATOR S.K. MASUPHA: Ntlha ea Tsamaiso kea hore ke ‘nete ka ho latela Tsamaiso ea rona, le Melaoana ea rona ea Ntlo e’a cho hore ha Potso e se e na le makhetlo a mararo Letona le sa e arabe, ka nepo taba ena u fane ka tlhaloso e nepahetseng, Mohlomphehi. Joale empa leha ho le joalo, Mohlomphehi rea tseba re le Litho le uena Mohlomphehi hore ho qeta ho etsoa tlhokolo ea Matona ‘me e lobokantse Bohlanka bo teng ka hare ho office, ke hore I am assuming that.
This is my assumption. Feela leha ho le joalo, ke mpa ke re na ebe Tafole ea hau e u eletsang malebana le liqeto tsena, ebe taba ee ha e ka ba ea hlokomeleha hore e ka ’na eaba hona ke bothata?
Na lipatlisiso tseo e li entseng malebana le taba ea Potso ee ebe li teng Tafoleng ea hau kapa che empa e le hobane feela ha litaba li ile tsa lahleloa koa Lekaleng ha ho na follow-up e etsoang, Mohlomphehi oa ka? Ha ke tsebe hore na… kea kholoa u nkutloile na ke reng. Kea leboha.
MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: Kea leboha Morena oa ka oa Lioli. U fa Ntlo ena e Khabane kutloisiso ea hore e ka ‘na eaba Potso ena e sitiloe ho arabeloa ka lebaka la tlhokolo ea Matona, hore e ka ‘na eaba tlhokolo ea Matona e lobokantse everything.
Bahlomphehi Matona a Khabane ba sebetsa le professional staff. Li-office tseno tseo ba sebetsang ho tsona, ba sebetsa le professional staff. Le Lipotso tsena tse botsoang, ba etsetsoa draft likarabo ke the professional staff, joale ebe bona ba hlahloba the quality of those Responses na do they make sense. Le hore na karabo eo a e fuoeng e etsa sense ‘me moo a sa utloisising ebe o bitsa Mongoli e Moholo.
Joale haeba a ntse a sa utloisisi, o ea lefapheng le amehang hore Director e amehang moo e tle e tl’o tla e hlolosa kapa Ofisiri e tle e tl’o hlalosa litaba tsena.
Ntlha eo u e entseng raise Morena oa ka, e fana ka impression ea hore ekare Bahlomphehi Matona ba sebetsa ba le bang. Potso ena ha e fihla ha e arajoe ke eena, no. Ho na le professional structures ka tlase ho Matona ba etsang ntho e ‘ngoe le e ‘ngoe. Ke hore ho na le machinery oo ha o sebetsa professionally and efficiently e sa lokelang hore ebe bothata hore Letona le tl’o tla le arabela lipotso.
Ke batla ke etse mohlala, Mohlomphehi. Letona la Home Affairs leo ho buuoang ka lona mona le kenetse hong ka ofising le Mohlomphehi Letona la Bophelo. Joale empa Mohlomphehi Letona la Bophelo o ne a le mona bekeng e fetileng.
Potso ena e ne e se ntse e le teng haeba u tla hopola. E chechisitsoe ke Mohlomphehi Letona la Bophelo bekeng e fetileng. Ke eena ea ileng a re o kopa e be deferred eaba o araba tsa hae.
Why should it be different Lekaleng Home Affairs? Hobaneng ha Letona la Health le khonne hore le arabe Lipotso tseo li ne li bile li le ngata eaba o li araba ka nako e le ‘ngoe?
Tsa Minister of Health li ne li le ngata, empa o khonne ho li araba kaofela bekeng e fetileng.
So e leng hore lebaka leo u fanang ka lona ho ‘na ke utloa ke sa le utloisisi and I would say I don’t accept it. We need to find mabaka a mang a ka re thusang hore re utloisise kapa le hona ho kholoa hore na what actually transpired here.
Ka ntle ho moo, ka mona ka Ntlong re na le Leader of the House eo e leng Letona. Leader of the House e meng ea mesebetsi ea hae ke ho bona hore Litaba tsa ‘Muso ka mona li tsamaea hantle. Hape ke ho bona hore Business ea ‘Muso kapa e tobileng ‘Muso e etsa flow hantle ka mona. E leng hore re ka re ka lebaka la that structural setup, ke sitoa hore ke nke litaba tseo u li behang e le Ntlha ea Tsamaiso.
Ea boraro e le ea ho qetela, hona ka Ntlong ka mona re na le Government Whip e leng Letona le Khabane. As a Government Whip mosebetsi oa hae ke ho bona hore Matona a Khabane a phetha mosebetsi oa oona kahare ho Ntlo ka mona. Ke ho bona hore Matona a Khabane ha mosebetsi o le teng ka mona, b’a tla, ba tl’o tla ba bapala role ea bona ka mona. Ba etse mosebetsi oa bona ka mona.
Yes, we also have to make sure hore re entse communicate ‘me potso ke hore na haeba ha rea etsa communicate, hobaneng ha Matona a mang a khonne ho tla a tl’o araba Lipotso tsa oona, joale ee eona e sa arajoe for a period of 3 weeks?
Ntlha ea hau ea Tsamaiso ke e utloile Mohlomphehi, leha ke sitoa ho e amohela. Ke ne ke re ke hlakisitse litaba tsena tsa… ke kopa re se ke ra etsa dialogue hle, Mohlomphehi.
Ke kopa ho re re fetele Potsong e hlahlamang e ntse e le ea Honourable Kanetsi.
QUESTION 120. NEED FOR CONTINUOUS ACCESS TO INCLUSIVE EDUCATION BY CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES*
Hon. Senator Kanetsi asked the Minister for Social Development, Youth and Gender that, following the closure of Leseli School of Special Needs, what concrete measures has the Ministry put in place to ensure that children with disabilities continue to access inclusive education.
HON. P. LESAOANA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi. Ke mpe ke hlalose hore Potso ena ha se ea Lekala la Social Development, empa ke ea Lekala la Thuto. Ho mpang ho etsahala ke ho re e bua ka bana ba nang le bokooa, feela ho buuoa ka thuto ea bona. Leha ho le joalo, ke ile ka tsebisa Letona la Lekala la Thuto, ‘me le ile la mpha Karabo e balehang tjena:
Mohlomphehi Mookameli oa Ntlo, Lekala la Thuto le Koetliso le kentse ts’ebetsong Leano la Inclusive Education Policy ka 2018. Ka Leano lena likolo tsohle tse ngolisitseng ka molao le Lekala la Thuto le Koetliso li tlameha ho amohela ngoana e mong le e mong ntle le khethollo ea mofuta ofe kapa ofe.
Lekalana la Special Education Unit ‘moho le Bahlahlobi ba thuto literekeng ba etela likolo ka sepheo sa ho thusa Litichere ka mekhoa e nepahetseng ea ho atamela bana ba nang le bokooa, ho kenyelletsa le lihlahlobo tsa bona, ‘me ba fumanoeng ba na le bothata bo boholo, ba ee ba fetisetsoe litsing tseo ba ka fumanang thuso ho tsona, e leng referrals.
Bana ba nang le bokooa bo tebileng ba khothalletsoa ho ea litsing tse khethehileng joaloka Ferrando Resource Center Special School – Maputsoe, Thuso-E-Tla-Tsoa-Kae – Butha-Buthe, Mount Royal Primary – Leribe, St. Paul School for the Deaf – Leribe, Kananelo Center for the Deaf – Berea le Resource Center for the Blind – Maseru.
Ke eona Karabo Potsong ena, Mohlomphehi. Kea leboha.
HON. SENATOR M. KANETSI: Kea leboha ka Karabo ena, mohlomong ke be ke lebohe le eona taba ea hore ebe Policy ea Inclusive Education e teng, ebile e kene ts’ebetsong, e-ea sebetsa. Ke taba ea bohlokoa ntlha eno.
Mohlomphehi, lebaka leo Potso ena e tlileng ka lona ke hobane leha li-referral tsena li ntse li etsoa ka mokhoa oo Karabo e boleloang, ho ntse ho bonahala ho na le gap bakeng sa bana ba ke keng ba ba fully absorbed into tsena tse ling tse boletsoeng, ‘me mohlomong sekolo se neng se ts’oana le Leseli se ne se ntse se phutha kapa se na le karolo eo se e bapalang ka hore bana ba mofuta oo ho ne ho na le moo ba kenang teng ho hlapoloha ka hore ba be functional – ke ho re ba tsebe ho iketsetsa lintho tse ling tse basic, leha e ka ba ba ke ke ba pasetsa hore ba ee holimo ho li-institution tse itseng, empa ba ne ba rupeloa hore ba be boemong boo ba ka tsebang ho ba functional ba be absorbed into mainstream ha ba ntse ba lokisoa joalo.
Botle bo bong boo Sekolo seno se neng se na le bona e ne e le hore se ne se nkile bana bao e ntseng e le bana feela ba se na taba ea bokooa ba mofuta ofe kapa ofe, ba ntse ba etsoa hore ba tsebe ho thusa bana ba bang ho hlaboloha le ho hlapoloha bokooeng bono ba bona. Bosieo ba Sekolo sena bo bonahala bo ntse bo bonahala – hobane joale ba bang – ke se ke buella mohlomong boemong ba Maseru mona, ehlile ha ho utloahale hantle hore na taba ena ea referral e tsamaea joang. Hape le hore na bana bao karolo ena ea Leseli e neng e ba thusa ehlile ho etsahalang ka bona?
Kea kholoa ha boithuto bo ka etsoa hore hantle ba hokae, ba ea kae, re tla fumana hore boholo ba bona ba sitoa le ho kena or to access libaka tsena tse boletsoeng mona.
Ke lona lebaka leo Potso ena e ileng ea hlaha – e hlaha hobane ho ntse ho na le sello sa hore ekare Sekolo sa Leseli se ne se ntse se na le karolo e ‘ngoe eo se neng se e bapala despite the fact that the Policy is in operation. It will actually be in support of eona ha e le joalo hobane e ne e ntse e kenyelletsa any other kid but ba khona hore ba ee le bona ka sekolong sa mofuta ono. Joale bana ba na le mokhoa o special oo ba tataisoang ka oona oo ba ts’oaroang ka oona.
Ha ke tsebe haeba litaba tsena tsa Karabo li ile tsa ea ho teba ho fumana hore na hantle-ntle ha ho na ba ntseng ba lahleha lipakeng mona, leha litaba tsena li le teng. Ke hobane ehlile lipotso tse joalo li ntse li hlaha, li le teng sechabeng. Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
HON. P. LESAOANA: Che, bothata ke ho re Setho se Khabane ha se be specific hore na o bua ka bokooa bofe, ke utloa a ntse a re, bano. Sekolo sa Ferrando se ntse se batla se ts’oana le sa Leseli. Ke se ke ile ka ea ho sona, se ntse se amohela le bana ba nang le bokooa ba kelello, ke ho re ho bolelang hore kelello ha e ea etsetsoa hore e etse develop hofihlela ho level e itseng, leha u ka e thusa.
Sekolo sa Ferrando ke sa re se ntse se thusa bana ba joalo. Ho na le Sekolo se seng hape se Pitseng se ntseng se thusa bana ba ntseng ba batla ba ts’oana le ba neng ba kena Leseli.
Setho se Khabane se ne se ka hla sa totobala ho bokooa boo Setho se ka reng se bona bo sa kenella kapa bo tebileng. Likolo tsena tseo ke buileng ka tsona ke tseo ke nang bana ba batlang ba ts’oana le ba neng ba kena Leseli. Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: Kea leboha, Letona le Khabane. Ke u leboha ka mabaka a mabeli, la pele ke la hore leha e-ba Potso ha u se u e hlahloba u ile ua fumana hore ke ea Lekala la Thuto, ebe u ile ua ema ka maoto ho fumana Karabo – taba eno e tiisa ntlha ea collective responsibility.
Ntle ho mono ke bona eka leha Sekolo seno se koetsoe, impact e ne e fihla e ba ka Lekala la hau Letona le Khabane. Ha ho ne ho ba joalo ka Lekaleng la hau, haholo-holo a negative impact, u ne u lokela u hle u mo sisinye hore, ‘u nkhatile, bona u ntse u sebetsa feela joale ke bona eka ua nkhata’. Ke leboha taba eno, Letona le Khabane.
Litho tse Khabane, ke ne ke re ke mpe ke fetise tsebiso e khuts’oanyane moo ke tlaleheloang hore mochini ono oa metsi o bonahala o na le bothata, ha o sebetse. E leng ho re le tla sitoa ho fumana metsi mono, haholo-holo a chesang.
Leha ho le joalo, ho se ho ntse ho etsoa litlhophiso tse ling hore le futhumaletsoe metsi, ‘me le tla a fumana ka mor’a nako e khuts’oanyane. Ho entsoe alternative arrangements hore le se ke la sokola ha le hloka metsi haholo a futhumetseng. Ke ne ke re ke tlalehe taba eno, le eane eo Dr. Lebese a llileng ka eona, ke tlaleheloa ke Tafole hore e se e ntse e sebetsoa.
121. REGISTRATION AND CO-ORDINATION OF WOMEN’S ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COUNTRY
HON.SENATOR M. MOKHATHALI asked the Minister of Social Development, Youth and Gender to enlighten the House on the current status of women’s organizations in Lesotho. Specifically:
- How many womens organizations are currently registered with the Ministry;
- Is there an established mechanism to co-ordinate these organizations to align activities with National Gender Policy;
- Is the Ministry continuously creating platforms for dialogues among these organizations at national and district level;
- Are there any programmes within the Ministry that are aimed to train them on governance, finance, compliance and management; and,
- In terms of resource mobilization, what kind of financial, technical or capacity building support does the Ministry provide to registered women’s organizations? Also, is the Ministry playing any active role in helping these organizations to access donor funding.
HON. P. LESAOANA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi. Che, ke tle ke ikopele ts’oarelo, Potso ena ke bona Karabo ea eona e ngotsoe ka Sekhooa. Eona e re, no women’s organizations are currently registered in the Ministry because there are no mechanisms set up in the Ministry that register them. The Ministry works with organizations registered with the Law Office.
There are currently three co-ordination mechanisms, the anti-GBV forum, and the economic empowerment forum and women peace and security network, and also there are arrangements to establish a gender co-ordination mechanism which will comprise of the above three forums.
Yes, through national campaigns such as international women’s day, 16 days of activism against gender-based violence, district dialogues are also held through women’s and men’s forums and community levels such as pitiki and public gatherings.
There is no specific programmes per say, but there are initiatives that address issues of governance, financial inclusion and economic empowerment as well as GBV prevention and management. For example, the economic empowerment section capacitates them on financial inclusion and digital upscaling. Political empowerment train them on issues of governance including gender parity.
The Ministry does not usually provide financial support but provides technical and capacity building support through trainings and workshops. There are modules on entrepreneurial skills, market and research including resource mobilization.
The Ministry currently assists organizations to access donor funds by providing them with endorsement letters to indicate partnership and collaboration with Government.
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi, ke eona Karabo Potsong ena ea Setho se Khabane.
HON. SENATOR M. MOKHATHALI: Ke kopa ho botsa Letona potso e nyanyeletsang, Ntate. Ke ho re na ebe Letona le tla bona neng hore ehlile mekhatlo e joalo e-ea ngolisoa? Ha ke utloisisi hantle hore na Letona le sebetsa joang le mekhatlo eo Letona le sa e tsebeng. Karabo e re feela – ke mekhatlo e ngolisitsoeng Law Office, empa Letona ha le tsebe na e mekae, e hokae, Letona ha le tsebe le hore na mekhatlo eno e ntse e sebetsa joang.
Taba eno ke utloa eka Letona le ne le tla e tseba haeba lea tseba hore na mekhatlo e teng ke e mekae, ‘me e hokae, e sebetsa joang.
Taba ena ke ea bohlokoa hobane ke ile ka bona ka nako ea Covid-19, bo-‘m’e bana ba entseng mekhatlo ba iphelisa ba bang ka mesebetsi ea matsoho eo ba e etsang.
Mohlala – ho na le ba entseng likolo tsa likonyana, ho na le ba rokang, Mohlomphehi, ba phela joalo. Ka lebaka la ho hloka lehae le ba buellang, ka nako eno makala ‘ohle a ile a isa manane a batho ba ‘ona hore ka nako eno eo mesebetsi e neng e koetsoe ba fuoe chelete ke ‘Muso ea boipheliso. Basali ba iphelisang ka ho iketsetsa mesebetsi ea bona ea matsoho ha ho le e ea mong, hobane Lekala le ne le sa ba tsebe, le sitoa ho ba buella, hore ‘le rona re na le batho ba sitoang hore na joale ba phela joang ha e le mona ho koetsoe!’
E leng ho re taba eno e ile ea sekisetsa mekhatlo ea basali haholo, eo ba ntseng ba etsa mesebetsi ea hore ebe ba imolotse ‘Muso ka hore ba iketsetse mesebetsi ea bona.
Taba ea bobeli hape ke utloa Letona le re le ba etsa train– Lekala le etsa li-training bakeng sa basali, ‘me basali ba etsa mesebetsi e hlokolosi haholo, hoo ka nako e ‘ngoe e amang le litokelo tsa batho. Haeba lithupelo Lekala lea li etsa, li khethoa joang? E le Letona le Bohlanka ba Lekala ba li khetha joang? Ba ee ba etse lithupelo ba ipapisitse le’ng? Haeba ha b’a hlakeloa hore na mang o hokae, o ntse a etsa’ng?
Kutloisiso ea ka ke ho re ka nako eo ho e’o etsoa lithupelo, haeba ho e’o etsoa e amanang le human rights, Lekala le tlameha ho tseba hore na ke mekhatlo efe e lumellanang le taba eno. Lekala le tlameha hore ebe le na le mapping ea hore ebe lea tseba hore ke mekhatlo efe.
Joale ho etsahala’ng – Ofisiri e itsoela feela lekhetlong lee, e batla ho ea haeso Kolojane ebe ke hona moo e fihlang e etsa lithupelo? Le etsa joang, le ba sala morao joang hore mesebetsi eo ba ntseng ba e etsa – ba e etsa ba ipapisitse le melao e teng ka har’a naha, ba e etsa ba ipapisitse le li-protocol tseo le li saenneng na? Ke ho re ke bona, Ntate, eka leha e le potso, ke re Letona le nke taba eno.
Ntlha e ‘ngoe ke ho re ke bone ke bile ke e tseba hobane nkile ka ba teng mono, ka nako e ‘ngoe u ne u fumana hore ho na le limemo tse international, tseo Lekala le neng le tlameha ho tsamaea le litho tsa mekhatlo, feela u ne u bona taba eno e se e sebetsoa ka setsoalle. Ke ho re ho se ho tsejoa feela hore ho tla tsoa hore na motsoalle oa mang ke mang, ele hona hobane Lekala ka bo-lona ha le ba tsebe. Ba bang ba ntse ba sebetsa kathata, empa Lekala ha le ba tsebe, so, Ofisiri e ka Ofising e se e tla inkela feela hore na mokhotsi oa hae ke ofe.
Kea u fa Mohlomphehi.
MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: U fana ka potso joang?
Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane, u ka tsoela-pele ho araba.
Ke hore na ha a u botse keng a le pela hau mono.
HON. P. LESAOANA: Ka ‘nete ke ntse ke ‘motsa Mohlomphehi, hore na a ka mpotsa a le mona pel’aka re ka ‘na ra qoqa.
E-e, ke kopa ke fapakanye taba ea ho sebetsa le batho ekasitana le mekhatlo le ngoliso. Ha rea re ha re sebetse le batho ba bo-‘m’e kapa mekhatlo ea bo-‘m’e. Ehlile Lekala la rona le sebetsa le ikarabella ho bo-‘m’e, e le e ‘ngoe e kholo e ka holimo-limo eo re sebetsanang le eona, ‘me re sebetsa le bona hantle.
Taba ea hore they are registered with the Ministry ha se le ntho eo ke nahanang hore re ka e hana ha kaalo-kaalo. E ka ba ntho eo re ka e shebang, but re fapakanye hore – Ke hore re se ke ra re because they are not registered then ba ntse ba sa sebetse le Lekala. E-e, re sebetsa le eona hantle mekhatlo eno. E ka ba mekhatlo kapa bo-‘m’e ka bo-mong. Re atolosa ho fihlela le bacha, e ka ba le batho ba baholo. Re sebetsa le bona hantle.
Motho e mong le e mong ehlile o oa ea Lekaleng mane o oa sebetsa, feela hore re tle re be le ts’ebetso e joalo haeba re ka ra eatabeng ea hore re batla ho etsa register, re tla tlameha hore mohlomong ebe re ka bitsa a forum or something, I don’t know, hore re tle re tsebe ho etsa develop li-MOU le tse ling kaofela hore na re tl’o tla re sebetsa joang.
Mohlala oo nka o etsang ke hore libakeng tsena tsa bana ba hlokomeloang, ehlile bona re ba ngolisitse, re na le li-MOU le bona. So, e tla ba mosebetsi oo re tla tlameha hore re tle re o sebetse, re o hlahlobe, Mohlomphehi.
Che ea Covid-19 hore ebe ba ile ba sekisetsoa ka ‘nete ha ke e tsebe. Ke se ke ka araba potso ka hore ha ke tsebe, ho tla thoe ke fositse. Ha ke tsebe hore na ke reng. Nakong ea Covid-19 ke ne ke le mokonteraka, ka ‘nete ha ke tsebe letho.
Kea leboha.
HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Ntate Vice-President, Honourable Minister, Tafole le Litho tse Khabane, kea le lumelisa.
Ke ne ke batla ho nyanyeletsa tabeng ena ea Potso ena ke re na, Honourable Minister, lihlopha tsee tseo u sebetsang le tsona, tsona tsena tsa bo-‘m’e joale ka ha, Honourable Mokhathali a bua ka tsona. Na ho bile le an attempt ea ho etsa mapping le needs assessment so that training ena ha e kena e kena e arabela litlhoko tseo bonyane li ileng tsa etsoa pre–determine, li hlaha ho bona e le batho bao u sebetsang le bona?
Na taba ee e etsahetse, so that training ena e tsebe ho ba le relevance, e le hore u tsebe hore ha u feta ho li-memorandum of understanding na u sebetsa le bo mang joale ka ha u cho? E le hore e tsebe ho re thusa hore na clientele ea hau ke bo mang, ka litlhoko tsa mofuta ofe, ka likepele tsa mofuta ofe hore u tsebe ho ea pele na?
HON. P. LESAOANA: Che, I am not brief of information e joalo ea hore na mapping eile ea etsoa kapa joang’ but eona it’s important. Ntho eo ke batlang ho e etsa emphasize ke hore bo-‘m’e bohle! Hobane o’a bona ha re etsa mapping, ekare re re batho ba emise joale ho s’o tla tla ba mekhatlo, ‘me mong’a ona a ka tloha a sitisoa ho kena hobane a se a se mokhatlong.
Bo-‘m’e bohle ba le mokhatlong kapa ba se mokhatlong ba na le tokelo ea hore ba kene Lekaleng mane ba batle lits’ebeletso ,‘me re ba sebeletse. Ke batla ho etsa emphasize eno e le hore ho se ke hoa e-ba le ‘m’e ea tla utloisisa e ka o tlameha hore a tle a ee mokhatlong pele, but Lekaleng mane re sebetsa ka li-MOU haholo. Ha batho ba na le taba, re lula fats’e le bona and draft MOU, re lumellane re tsebe ho sebetsa le bona.
Litaba tsena ke nahana hore Bahlanka ba haeso ba ntse ba le teng ka mona, ba ntse ba li nka e le likeletso tsa hore na mohlomong better approaches e ka ba life.
Kea leboha.
MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: Rea leboha Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane. Re qetile ka Lipotso tsena tsa hau. Mokhahlelo oo re seng re tla ba le oona e se e tla ba oa kamoso koana. For now, you are done.
Next item Mr. Clerk
Resumption of adjourned debate (on question, Tuesday 26th May, 2026).
PROCEEDINGS ON SUBSTATIVE MOTIONS AND BILLS
BILL
Children’s Protection and Welfare (Amendment) Bill, 2023
MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: Tafole ea haeso e nkhopolitse mona hore nakong eo ho neng ho etsoa adjourn the debate ho Sets’oants’o sena sa Molao, e ne e le ha re qeta ho fumana the Seconder for the Second Reading ea Setsoants’o sena sa Molao. Joale taba eno eno e bolela hore re mokhahlelong oo ke lokelang ho teka taba ho le fana ka monyetla oa hore joale le tsebe ho ts’ets’etha litaba tsena.
Ke se ke bile ke etsa joalo Litho tse Khabane.
Question, that the Bill be Read for the Second Time proposed.
HON. P. LESAOANA (POINT OF ORDER): Kea leboha. E tla ba re ile ra e etsa khale haholo ebe ke se ke lebala. Na re ne re se re se ka Komiting, Mohlomphehi?
Re ne re se re le ka Komiting ebile re se re sisintse li-Clause tse ling tse ngata. Hantle re ne re se re setse ka tse peli kea kholoa re qeta.
MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: U oa bona kaha ke ne ke bile ke le sieo ha litaba tsena li ntse li etsoa, ke ntse ke tataisoa ke Tafole koano hore ba ke ba nthuse.
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MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: E-e, ke qeta ho fumana tlhaloso ka Tafole, Mohlomphehi. Ho thoe litaba tseno tseo u reng li ne li etsahala ke litaba tsa Komiti ea Ketsa-Molao, e seng in the House.
Ho na le moo u tla tlameha hore ha Komiti e ntse e lokisa Tlaleho, u ilo ba ka pele ho eona, ‘me ke hona moo ho ts’ets’ethoang litaba tseno. Joale Komiti e sebetsa on behalf of the House. Ha Komiti e qetile e tla tlisa taba ena ka mona e tl’o tla e e teka hore Ntlo e e ananele. Joale ka morao ho mono ebe Letona lea tla le tl’o etsa pilot the Bill.
E leng hore ehlile ho nepahetse, ke tekile taba ‘me Litho li ka bua. Re tla bona haeba ba na le lintlha. Ke file Litho tse Khabane, monyetla oa hore li bue.
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MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: Litho tse Khabane, ha le sa hopola ho re na re felletse kae kapa ha le na lintlha?
HON. SENATOR M.M. MOSHOESHOE: Ntate Vice-President, bekeng eo u etsang refer ho eona, Ntate Minister o ile a tla ka ‘nete eaba o beha Bill ka pel’a rona mona ka ‘nete. Joale eaba kea mo tlatsa, ha ke qeta ho mo tlatsa eaba Ntlo e etsa adjourn ka mabaka a ileng a behoa.
Lesatsing lena re tlameha ho qala mona moo Ntlo, e leng the whole House ka Litho tse Khabane, li ka kenang ho Bill for Second Reading, empa haeba ba sa kene, joale eba ba thotse joale ka ha ba thotse tjee, kapa ba ferekane, che ba nts’oarele e ka ‘na eaba ba se ba lebetse litaba tsa Bill, (laughter) uena u le Setulo u ka tsoela-pele ka procedure e normal.
Kea leboha.
MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: Honourable Moshoeshoe, o tiisa litaba tseo re li buileng hore e-e, ehlile Honourable Minister o ile a kenya ts’its’inyo ea hore Sets’oants’o sa Molao se baloe for the Second Time ‘me eaba eena e le Honourable Moshoeshoeo oa mo tlatsa.
E leng hore we are on the right track. Now! Ke monyetla oa hore Litho tse Khabane li bue haeba li na le lintlha.
Ha li sa bue re tla tlameha hore Honourable Minister a fetele mokhahlelong o hlahlamang oa ho sisinya hore Ntlo e ipope e le Komitire tsebe ho kena ka Komiting ha ho se na letho.
Ke bona eka ha ho na letho, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane, ke hore u mp’o sisinye hore…
Oh!
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MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: Ke ne ke se ke bile joale ke ntse ke tlola methati e meng ka lebaka la pherekano ena.
Question, that the Bill be read for the Second Time put and agreed.
HON. P. LESAOANA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Vice-President.
Ke kopa hore ke sisinye mona hore Senate se ipope e le Komiti hore re tsebe ho tla tla ts’ohla li-Clause tsa Sets’oants’o sena sa Molao.
Na ke ntse ke tlamehile ho pheta hape ho o rokela kapa ka ‘nete ke se ke ile ka o rokela haholo?
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Vice-President.
Question that the Senate resolves itself into a Committee forthwith, put and agreed to.
The House resolved itself into a Committee forthwith
(In the Committee)
MR. CHAIRPERSON: Litho tse Khabane, re se re le ka Komiting.
Ke tla hlalosa mekhahlelo eo ke tla kopa hore u tl’o re tataise ka eona, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane.
Clauses 1 – 6
HON. P. LEASOANA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Hana ka Ntlong ea Senate ka moo re tsamaea joaloka ka mola ka National Assembly? Re qala ka li-Amendment haeba li le teng kapa re sisinya li-Clause pele?
Ke kopa tataiso.
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HON. P. LESAOANA: Kea lebohaMohlomphehi, ke kopa ho sisinya Clauses 1- 6 of the Children’s Protection and Welfare (Amendment) Bill, 2023.
Ke bonts’e feela hore Clause 1 e mpa e le hore na e tla bitsoa joang.
And then, the general Amendment in Clause 2 e etsoa Amend ka ho tlosa from the Principal Law, the Department of Social Welfare wherever it appears. Re se re tla e etsa substitute ka hore re e bitse Ministry responsible for Social Development le Director for Social Welfare wherever it appears. Re e tlosa ka hore re e bitse Director Child Protection Services.
Re tla hopola, Bahlomphehi hore taba ea Social Welfare re ile ra e etsa improve ra e isa to Social Development. Section 3 ke kopa ho phetla ‘me eona re e etsa amend ka ho kenya the Central Authority.
Tsena re li etsa amend ka ho kenya title tsena with their meaning.
Ke kopa ke li fete ke seke ka li bala I think they are self-explanatory.
Clause 4 …… that Clause 4A moo re buang ka Family Prevesation Survival and Development.
Ke kopa u nts’oarele, ke bona ntse ke fuoa koantsanyane mona.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ekare Clause 4 e bua ka litokelo tsa ngoana le litokelo tsa motsoali kapa guardian.
HON. P. LESAOANA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Ke bona koantsanyane ena ea ka e lieha ho fihla.
Ke kopa ho etsa amend Clause 1 hanyenyane ho puo eo ke e buileng, ke lokisa puo e ke buileng.
Ke tle ke bale na ke ne ke tlameha hore ebe ke itseng.
This act may be cited as Children’s Protection and Welfare Act and shall come into operation on the date of its publication in the Gazette except for Section 61 C-G which shall come into operation on the date to be appointed by the Minister by Notice in the Gazette.
Ke kopa re kenye Amendment eno in Clause 1
MR CHAIRMAN: Mohlomphehi, Letona le Khabane ke ne ke kopa hore u seke oa bua ka Amendments. Mohlala, ha u bua ka taba ea Clause 1, Clause 1 e hlalosa the Title and Commencement, ke hore feela na Sets’oants’o sena lebitso la sona e se tl’o ba mang.
U re bolella feela hore Sets’oants’o sena sa Molao lebitso la sona ke Children’s Protection and Welfare Amendment Act 2023, ‘me se tla qala nako eo se tla etsoa publish in the Gazette.
U hlalosa feela ka mokhoa o general hore na Clause eno e reng. You don’t go into details.
HON. P. LESAOANA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Ke mokhoa ona ke ileng ka botsa pele ha ke ne ke qala hore na if we want to Amend ele what is written already in the Amendments, na re ka qala ka eona pele kapa re tsoelepele ka Clause because basically re re Clause ena e seke ea baleha ka mokhoa oo e ngotsoeng kateng mona as per the papers tseo le li nkileng ho lona mono.
Re batla e etsoe change hore na e ngoloe joang. Ke mokhoa ona ke botsitseng hore na re ka fetisa Amendment first, before re bala hobane ha ke tsebe na tsamaiso ea ka mona na e tsamaea joang.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Letona le Khabane haeba u batla ho fetola Clause1, re tla tlameha re e tlole hohle moo ho nang le Amendment. Clause tsohle tseo u nang le Amendment ho tsona re tla li tlola.
Hona tjena re sebetsana le Clause tse se nang Amendments feela. Tsena tse nang le Amendments re tl’o tla re tla ka tsona qetellong ha re se re qetile tsena tse se nang Amendments.
So if you have an Amendment on Clause 1, that means rea e tlola. U tla qala tlhaloso ea Litemana tsena ho tloha Clause 2, u hlalose hore na Clause 2 e re phutheletse’ng, Clause 3 e phuthetse’ng up to Clause 6.
U re fa a general overview feela, ha u ee into details.
HON.P. LESAOANA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Ke ikopele ts’oarelo, ke ile ka batla ke ba botlaila ha ke ne ke leka ho hlalosa eona taba eno ea hore na ke etse joang. Ke hona ke bonang, ke hona e utloahalang.
MR. CHAIRMAN: E re re hlake, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane. U batla ho fetola Clause 1?
Minister answering behind: Clause1 rea e fetola, so ke kopa ke qale.
MR. CHAIRPERSON: U batla ho fetola lebitso la Bill?
Minister answering behind: No ke batla ho fetola the……. Ka hare ho eona
HON. P. LESAOANA: Clause 1 ke hobane e fella kapa e etsa skip taba ea hore ke batla hore Section 61 C-G e tle ebe in operation by Notice of Gazette. Ha e eo ka mona ka Clause 1 as it reads.
Clause 1 says, and shall come into operation on the date of its publication of the Gazette.
Athe re batla hore others li be in operation except 61 ho tloha ho C-G. Eona e tle e etsoe at the time eo Letona le etsang publication eno. Ke hobane ha li tl’o etsahala ka nako e le ‘ngoe. So it can hold the law ha re ka emela that………
MR. CHAIRMAN: Haeba u tlo tla u etsa Amendment Clause 1 Mohlomphehi, ke hore rea e feta because Clause tsohle tse nang le Amendments we are going to deal with them later when we are done with tsena tse se nang Amendments.
So haeba u na le Amendment ho Clause 1, rea e feta re tl’o qala Clause 2 up to Clause 6.
HON.SENATOR. S.K. MASUPHA (POINT OF ORDER): Mohlomphehi. Kea ipotsa hore na ebe re ntse re tsamaea ka tsela e nepahetseng na ha Mohlomphehi Letona a se a hlahisa taba e ncha eo ke utloang eka ha e ea hlaha Komiting.
Ke ipotsa hore na haele mona e se e tlotse mothati oane oa Komiti, na ebe ke ntho e nepahetseng, Mohlomphehi?
Ke eona Ntlha ea Tsamaiso eo ke hlahang ka eona, nke ke thusoe mono.
MR. CHAIRPERSON: Kea leboha, Morena oa ka.
Hantle-ntle khothaletso ke hore Amendments li etsoe consider Komiting, ho etsoe tsohle Komiting. Joale empa taba eno Morena oa ka ha e bolele hore joale ha u s’o fumana hore ho na le ntlha tse ileng tsa tsoa lipakeng tsa menoana, ebe re ka li feta feela ka mona. We still have to correct them.
Tsoelapele ho tloha Clause 2 ho ea Clause 6 Honourable Minister
HON. P. LESAOANA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Ke ne se ke le Clause 4 moo ke bonts’ang feela hore Clause 4 re etsa insert Section 4A. I think ka ha ke new insertion, eona mohlomong re e bale as is written.
4 A1 e re: A child shall have the right to
- Be raised in a family by a parent/ parents who are mentally
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ak’o nts’oarele Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane. ke ne ke kopa u seke oa li bala. Li tlo re nka nako e telele ha u etsa joalo.
Ha u ka bonts’a feela hore Clause 4 e bua ka Litokelo tsa Ngoana. Clause 2 ke taba tseo re seng ile ra li shebisana.
Joale e na le karolo tse peli Clause 4. Karoloana ea pele e bua ka Litokelo tsa Ngoana. Karolo ea bobeli e bua ka Litokelo tsa Motsoali.
Ha u e behile joalo feela, you don’t need to go into details.
HON. P. LESAOANA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Ke ne ke nahanne hore mohlomong ka ha ke insertion, but kea utloisisa tataiso ea hau.
Mona moo re etsang insert re leka hore:
- Ngoana a tla be tlas’a tlhokomelo ea motsoali ea tla be a na le boiphihlelo kapa mohlokomeli ea nang le boiphihlelo mentally, ‘me ngoana a tla be le monyetla oa ho kena sekolo le ho bona lingaka.
- Motsoali o tlameha a bone hore to the extent possible ngoana o fumana tlhokomelo e batlang e feletse ebile e le batsi.
Clause 5 we just amend the Principal Law by inserting and participation after capacities.
Clause 6 ke moo re etsang insert after Section 7 the following new Section eleng insertion after 7 A, ke ena e buang ka stateless child.
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi ke qetile.
Question proposed that Clause 2 – 6 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
HON.SENATOR. M. KANETSI: Mohlomphehi, kea kholoa ke hloka tlhakisetso hona mona Clause 7 and Sub clause 19 A, ena e reng after the word name ho etsoe insert the word with bad intentions joale mohlomong motho ha u e bala mona e re the offences against the right of a child.
A parent/Guardian is prohibited from:
- Giving a child an indecent name
Joale ho thoe re kenye with bad intentions joale ke utloa ke thatafalloa ke hore na who will be there to know hore lebitso lena la Moselantja, Mokoto, Mosifa le tlile ka bad intention.
Laughter
Komiting ke nahana nka iphomolela feela hee, kea kholoa taba ea ka e ne ele hore na re tl’o tseba joang ha motho a fihla. Taba ea bad intetions o tl’o e etsa measure joang.
Ke etsa mohlala ka hore ha ke reha ngoana oa ka Moselantja, Mohlouoa, Mosifa, Moloi kapa Masepa a Ntja ke hore re tl’o tseba joang hore that was in bad intentions or not.
Ho ne ho se molemo haeba re itse feela ehlile ho fa ngoana lebitso le mona ha ho itsoe indecent name ebe re re le ka bang le moelelo kapa interpretation hobane ha ke tsebe ena ha re re with bad intentions, intention ena re tl’o e etsa measure joang, kae neng ha ngoana enoa a rehoa.
Lebitso le nang le moelelo o ka hobosang kapa o ka bang le interpretation e hobosang ke lebitso leo re ka le tsebang. Ke hore ke ntho e ka thibehang ena ea intention. Hai! Ke utloa e le thata, Mohlomphehi.
Ke kopa re ke re e shebe.
MR. CHAIRMAN: U tsebe hore Mohlomphehi ke ntse ke ba botsa mona hore na u hokae. Ke lahlehile tu!
Joale ke bona hore ke uena ea lahlehileng. Re itse re bua ka Clause 2 -6.
Uena you are outside that, ke ntse ke sheba ebile ke ba botsa ke re nthuseng re bone hore na Mohlomphehi o hokae?
Laughter
Clause 2-6: Put and agreed to and ordered to stand part of the Bill
HON.SENATOR.M MOSHOESHOE (POINT OF ORDER): Ntate Molula-Setulo, re tlotse Clause 1 eaba Morena oa Lioli o botsa potso eaba u mo araba ka tsela eo u ileng oa araba ka eona.
A re ‘are we still in order’.
Joale ke re re fuoe a list of Amendments tse fetileng kapel’a Komiti. Amendment ena eo Letona le batlang ho e kenya ka fesetere tsatsing lee eo ea Clause 1, u tlameha u laole Tafole ea hau e e ngole. It has to be written re tlo e bona. Re se ke ra e lumela feela tjena.
Re ke ke ra thola ra e feta feela eaba re se re ntse re re ‘e’ re amohela Clause 2 re sa iphatlalatsa hore hana Clause 1. Re iphatlalatsa ka hore le eona e tl’o qetella e kene amongst list ena ea Clauses with Amendments.
I submit.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ke nahana hore re ile ra e bua Honourable Senator. Ke utloisisa hore re utloane ka taba eno hore e’a ngoloa joale e il’o kena ho Clauses tsane tse etsoang amend. Tafole ea heso e se ntse e etsa joalo.
E tla tla e hlaha ho Amendments.
Honourable Minister ke kopa hore u tlole Clause 7 u re tataise ka Clause 8-13.
HON. P. LESAOANA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Clause 8 ba ile ba re Section 20 ea the Principal law ebe deleted e etsoe substitute ka ena eo re e ngotseng e nang le fine ea M3000.00 or imprisonment e sa feteng 3 months.
Clause 9 re hlakola the Principal Law. Re etsa amend Section 26 of the Principal Law.
We substitute Sub- Section 2 ka ena eo re e ngotseng mona e bonts’ang hore Social Worker e ise ngoana ngakeng upon receiving a child from the Police.
Clause 10 we are amending Section 51 and re e etsa amend ka hore Children’s Court may place a child in a foster care. Hantle mona ho buuoa ka foster care and everything must be done in the interest of the child.
Clause 11
New insertion in Section 51 (a) to 51 (d) of the Principal Law and mona re bua haholo ka taba tsa li foster care le hore na bana ba tlameha ho ba kae le li-visiting rights and le hore na ba ka etsa re-unification joang including le hore na foster care ha re hloka ho e felisa na re ka e felisa joang.
Clause 12
We amend section 52 of the Principal Law, we insert 3 e leng e reng ‘the person intending to apply for a foster care under sub-section 1 respect to a child shall seek and obtain the consent of the parents, guardian and relatives also.’
Clause 13
We insert a new Section ea 52 (a) e leng ea determination of placement of a child in a foster care, kea leboha Mohlomphehi.
Clauses 8-13: Question that Clauses 8-13, stand part of the bill, proposed.
CHAIRPERSON: Ha ke tsebe hore na ebe Litho tse Khabane li se li lebetse ka taba tsena kaha e se e le khale haholo ho sebetsanoe le tsona kapa ehlile ke hobane ba se na any clarification or inputs empa ha e le mona ho se na letho.
Clauses 8-13: Question that Clauses 8-13, stand part of the Bill, put and agreed to.
Clauses 14-18
HON. MIN. P. LESAOANA: Clause 14, We amend Section 53 of the Principal Law ‘me re fana ka li-rights and responsibilities of foster parents tse kenyelletsang le hore a ka ba thusa le ho bona hore ngoana o ba re-united le the biological parents.
Clause 15, we amend Section 54, che mona empa e le changing of words.
Clause 16 It’s a new insertion ea unappealing panel le hore na e tla etsa constitute how.
Clause 17 We amend section 56 we give the entitlement of the adoptive parents
Clause 18 We amend section 57 empa e le deletion le addition feela mono kea leboha.
Question that Clauses 14-18, Stand part of the Bill, put and agreed to.
Clauses 19, 20 and 23 skipped pending amendments
Clauses 21, 22, 24-35
HON. MIN. P. LESAOANA: Kea leboha.
Clause 21, we amend Section 67 tse ling tsa litaba tse buuoang mono ke taba ea trafficking in children so one of the things ke hore punishment e-be e kenyelletse le compensation e patalisang.
Clause 22, we amend Section 70 by insertions.
Clause 24, we amend Section 81 of the Principal Law by deleting Section 81 and substitute it with the following e leng the duties of the Police Officers in relation to the age assessment.
Clause 25, we amend Section 133 of the Principal Law.
Clause 26, we amend Section 135 of the Principal Law just insertions.
Clause 27, we amend Section 136 of the Principal Law also is an insertion of Social Worker responsible for Social Development.
Clause 28, we amend Section 138 of the Principal Law.
Clause 29, we amend by deleting Section 140.
Clause 30, we amend Section 156 of the Principal Law le eona e ntse e le deletions and substitutions.
Clause 31, we amend Section 175.
Clause 32, we amend Section 175 of the Principal Law by deletions and some additions.
Clause 33, we amend Section 178.
Clause 34, we amend Section 196 by deleting the words ‘’facilitate the setting of’’ and substitute with ‘’develop’’.
Clause 35, we amend Section 200 le eona e ntse e le just trivial changes.
Clauses 21, 22 24-35: Question that Clauses 21, 22, 24-35 stand part of the Bill, put and agreed to.
Clauses 36 and 37 skipped pending the amendments
Clause 38-39
HON. MIN. P. LESAOANA: Clause 38
It’s an amendment ea Section 229 from 13 to 14.
Clause 39, we amend Schedules ha ke tsebe na tsona le ka batla re hle re kene ho tsona ka botebo because li bua ka lichelete kapa che bahlomphehi ba se ntse ba bona, kea leboha
Question that Clauses 38 and 39 Skipping 36 and 37, Stand part of the Bill, proposed
HON. SENATOR DR. T. LEBESE: Ha ke tsebe hore na Ntate Molula-Setulo inconsistency ena e tlamehile e ke e lokisoe ho kae. All the schedules that we receive here seem to be haholo ha re bua ka chelete, it’s either we do the other and leave the other ones and re be consistent Mohlala, mona ho ngotsoe chelete ka li R5,000 e leng taba e se nang bothata, kea u ts’episa Mohlomphehi Molula-Setulo hore haeba re ka lula tjena re etsa molao o mong o ntseng re o ts’oere o matsohong a rona o tl’o bona e ngotsoeng ka mantsoe e seng ka lipalo.
I don’t know na this inconsistency e hlaha from the parliamentary office e la e etsang draft ho etsa maintain that consistency hobane seo ke se hlokometseng ke hore kaofela li hlaha ka National Assembly. This is not picked up joale e etsa melao ea rona e se ke ea ts’oana ekare e entsoe ke batho ba fapaneng athe there has to be a consistency, ke nahana from the drafting team le pele Parliamentary Council e ke ba ka fuoa format e ba ngolang ka eona.
Haeba re ngotse R5,000 tjena re boele re tsoele-pele re e ngole le ka mantsoe, empa haeba lipalo e-be lipalo feela joale e fana ka bothata ena ea consistency hobane ke ne ke re re tlo e bona melaong e ‘meli e tlang hosane. O tle o bone hore na e lobokanya mobali kapa moji oa Molao ona joang.
CHAIRPERSON: Rea leboha Dr. Lebese taba eo u buang ka eona e bohlokoa hore hangata rea tseba hore moo ho buuoang ka lichelete ho ee ho ngoloe habeli ka mantsoe le ka lipalo, empa kea kholoa taba e kholo ke hore na are you moving or suggesting hore ho etsoe amend this particular clause or u n’o etsa just passing a caution?
HON. SENATOR DR. T. LEBESE: It was just observation feela.
Clauses 38 and 39: Question that Clauses 38 and 39, stand part of the Bill, put and agreed to.
CHAIRPERSON: Litho tse Khabane, lea hopola hore Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane o sisintse Amendment ea Clause 1 eane eo Honourable Senator Moshoeshoe a ileng a ema ka Ntlha ea Tsamaiso mona, joale taba eno ke hona e ntseng e etsoa finalize. Re ne re kopa hore hore e tle be fully finalized ho tla kena hantle le li-Amendment tse ling re kopa re mpe re phomotse Ntlo.
The House was suspended for 10 munities.
House resumed at 12:28
HON. CHAIRPERSON: Litho tse Khabane re tla boela re kopana hape ka mora’ ho phomola ho ho khuts’oanyane. Le tla hopola hore sepheo sa ho phomola e ne e le hore ho ilo lokisoa Notice Paper bakeng sa Amendment eane e entsoeng ke Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane; joale ke ne ke re ke fumane hore na le se le ts’oere likopi (copies) tsa Notice Paper kaofela hoa lona na? Le ts’oanetse hore le be le likopi tse peli (2) Litho tse Khabane, ea pele ke 103 ebe ea bobeli ke 107. 107 ke ena e tala ebe 103 ke e ts’oeu. Li teng akere, Litho tse Khabane?
Litho tse Khabane, le tla hopola hore re ile ra qetella re etsa qeto ea hore re tlohelle Clause 1 hobane joale Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane a ne a ile a etsa Amendment ho eona; joale re tlo tla re kena li-amendment ka ha re qetile ka li-Clause tsane tse neng li sena li-amendment.
Re tlo tla re shebana le li-Clause tsane tseo re ileng ra li tlola kaofela ha tsona tse nang le li-amendment. Re tlo qala ka Clause 1. Li-Clause tsena kaofela ha tsona pele Mohlomphehi Molula-Setulo a tla ka li-amendment tseo Komiti e lihlophileng, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane u tla kena ho tsona pele a lihlalose hore na li ts’etse eng; joale ha a qeta ho etsa joalo e tla be e le hona re tla fa Mohlomphehi Molula-Setulo hore a tle a kene ho tsona.
Empa ena ea Clause 1 is different, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane, u tla kena ho eona a re fe the original ea eona ebe ha a qeta u fetela amendment eo a etsang propose.
U ka re tataisa, Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane, u qale ka Clause 1. Ke tla be ke se ke u tataisa hore u tle u kene ho tse ling hape.
CLAUSE 1
HON. P. LESAOANA (Minister of Social Development): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Molula-Setulo. Clause 1 e ne itse;
“this Act may be cited as Children’s Protection and Welfare (Amendment) Act, 2023, and shall come into operation on the date of its publication in the Gazette”
Question proposed
HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Molula-Setulo. Ha ke tsebe hore na taba ena mohlomong re ka e sheba joang hobane ke ne ke batla hore re shebe Standing Order No. 54 (1) because the proposed amendment eo Letona le buang ka eona ke bona e le substantive if not minor.
HON. CHAIRPERSON: Mohlomphehi ha a so kene ho amendment. Ke hona ke tlo mo fa hore a tle a kene ho eona. Ke ne ke r’e kaba u etsa comment on original Clause.
Ke bona eka ha hona letho. Letona le Khabane, kena tabeng ea Amendment eo u entseng on Clause 1. U oa e bala u be u buelelle liphetoho tseno tseo u li entseng.
Amendment
HON. P. LESAOANA: Phetoho ea Clause 1 it’s on line 2,
“after comma delete 2023 and substitute with 2026”
Mono ke lumela empa e le ntho e bonahalang feela hore it’s a typing error, it’s 2026 now and not 2023. Ke lona lebaka la rona leo re etsang amend that portion.
Second amendment is in Clause 1,
in line 3, “after the word Gazette, insert the following words “except Section 61 (C-G) which shall come into operation on the date to be appointed by the Minister by the Notice in the Gazette”
Taba mono ke hore re tlo tla re etsa agency of adoptions. The agency of adoptions e tloha e nka nako e telele haholo unless re kenya insertion ena ea hore Molao o be in place except Section 61 then bana ba tla sitoa hoba adopted hobane ha ba fihla mane lekhotleng ho tla batloa pele na agency e kae and the agency may take long but re tlo e qala as soon as Molao ona o feta. Ke lona lebaka leo re kopang feela hore re e behelle ka thoko re tle re e kenye into force ka Gazette once we have finished the agency. Kea kholoa ke eona taba moo e leng teng Mohlomphehi kea leboha.
Question, that Clause 1 as amendment proposed
HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Kea leboha, Ntate Molula-Setulo, Tafole, Honourable Minister le Litho tse Khabane. Ke ne ke tena ke ema hobane lekhetlo la pele hobane-ke hle ke qale mono a Bill ena le characteristics tsa eona.
Ke hore ena le tsela eo e behoang ka eona e leng tsela eo e tsebahalang ka eona, therefore, the amendment e hlahang ho Ntate Minister e thulana le Standing Order No. 54 (1), eo hoa eona e bonahalang boemong bona ba Second Reading boo re leng ho bona, e re thusa hore re se ke be ra ba ra etsa substantive amendment hobane mats’oao ana a Bill a qalile morao. E tla e ntse e tsamaea joalo ka mats’oao a eona, therefore, e ka se be fit hore ke ea 2026 hobane e kene le ka Ntlong ena last year. Ho rona fela mona, ke se ke bua ho rona fela mona moo re leng hona teng. So ke bona e le a very substantive tabeng ea lebitso la Bill ka mokhoa oo e leng ka teng. Kea kholoa ke eona fela ntho eo ke neng ke re kannete ‘na ke bona eka e ntse e lokile ha e ntse e le 2023 eno hobane esale e le lets’oao la eona ha e ntse e ea holimo le tlase. Ke ne ke re ke eme ka eona Ntate taba eno, kea leboha.
HON. CHAIRPERSON: Ke ntse ke qamaka Litho tse Khabane hore na hona le banang le letho. Honourable Kanetsi! Kapa u ne u mpa u itukisa feela?
HON. SENATOR M. KANETSI: Ae! ehlile kea kholoa ke batla ke na le pherekano. Ekare ke tla utloa hore na Mohlomphehi Motsamai u reng ha a re re tla re ntse re e hulanya ho tloha selemong se fetileng ‘me e ne eka ekare e ka feta e ntse e le 2023? Le ha e se e ilo ba Sets’oantso sa Molao? Joale hobane haeba u cho joalo taba ea ka e ne tlaba hore na akere joale ekare re etsa amend? Ke shebile uena Molula-Setulo [litseho]
HON. CHAIRPERSON: Ke mametse uena Mohlomphehi.
HON. SENATOR M. KANETSI: Joale ke tlo sitoa ho bua ke be ke bale. E re ke tlohelle balimo Mohlomphehi ke re feela ke utloa e mpherekanya haeba re ka e fetisa ea re ha re qeta ho etsa amend hona joale selemong sa 2026 eaba re ntse re ts’oere nomoro ea 2023 ntle le haeba hona le ntho eo ke etsang miss. Empa leha ho le joalo, ke tla sheba le ka mona.
HON. CHAIRPERSON: Che! ha ke na re letho. The issue ke hore na mehlae re ntse re fetola lilemo from the original Bill e tsoang ka mola ka Parliamentary Council? Why Parliamentary Council e sa e fetola?
HON. SENATOR DR. T. LEBESE: Re ntse re sa (in audible)
HON. CHAIRPERSON: Ke bona eka Litho tse Khabane ha ba sana maikutlo a mang ‘me if that is a case ke kopa hore ke behe taba.
HON. SENATOR M. M. MOSHOESHOE: Ntlha ea Tsamaiso pele re araba ee kapa che. Ke ne ke re, Ntate Molula-Setulo oa Komiti ea Senate, Ntlha ea Tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona ke hore Ntate Letona u sisintse amendment ena akere? Na u ile a tlatsoa? O tsebe haesale ke ema mona ke tjotja ke re ke tlo motlatsa ha ke ea bona u ncheba; joale ke utloa le se ntse le re yes. U e sisintse, a e komela joale ke ne ke emetse ho motlatsa.
HON. CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Moshoeshoe u laotsoe ke mang hore u motlatse? Tsoelapele ‘M’e.
HON. SENATOR M. M. MOSHOESHOE: Ntate Molula-Setulo, kannete ha re ntse re tsamaea tsela ena re ithuta kamehla, le hore ba bacha ba tle ba tsebe ho nepa le ha re le sieo. Ke ne ke ema mona hore ke tlatse Letona le Khabane ka ts’isinyo ena ea Amendment ea Clause 1 hobane kannete ruri-ruri Molao ona o se o nkile nako e telele ‘me ke takatso ea sechaba sena sa Basotho hore hang ha o qetoa mona o mpe o fetele methating eane ho fihlella o ea ka mane ka Khosi kholong o tle o tsebe ho fumana Royal Ascent ebe joale o kena ts’ebetsong.
Joale ha re sheba Section 61 eo ekanna ea sitisa kapa ea etsa extend nako moo re ntseng re emetse li-adoption agencies hore li be established. Ke mokhoa ona u utloang Ntate Minister a re “ha re ntse re emetse establishment of adoption agencies tseo, Molao oona o fete o ilo sebetsa, tsona li tla tla lithehoa hantle ka Molao ho be ho fanoe le lipehelo, le hore na li tle li etse function joang” ‘me taba eno o tla e fetisa ka Gazette. Ha ke cho joalo ke re ke mo etsa support 120% on this. Kea leboha.
HON. CHAIRPERSON: Ache Litho tse Khabane, le ha ke molumelletse hore a tlatsoe which was not suppose to be the case. Re ne re se re le boemong boo Litho li lumelang kapa li sa lumeleng ‘me ea pele ke ne ke ile ka botsa Litho hore na ba lumelang ba re ee eaba ho oa thola eaba ke re ba sa lumeleng ba re che. The “che” have it although le ha ke utloa e le nyane kapa le khathetse Bahlomphehi? Litho tse Khabane ke utloa ekare amendment ena eo Mohlomphehi Letona a neng a etsetsa Ntlo, e ea e lahla.
Question put and negatived
Clause 1: as amended was negatived
HON. MINISTER P. LESAOANA (Minister of Social Development): Ke kopa Ntlha ea Tsamaiso.
CHAIRPERSON: Ntlha ea Tsamaiso Mohlomphehi Letona.
HON. MINISTER P. LESAOANA: E ne e le in two parts Amendment, ha e lahloa e lahloa e felletse kaofela, but e ne e le ea lilemo. E le ena eo taba ehlile e leng kholo ena e ka tlaase, hobane Molao ha o na ho ba implemented h ofihlela agency e ba teng. So, ha ke sure hantle ho re na ha e na mokhoa oa hore e sebetsoe e arohane, che le uena eo ea pele ea 2023/2026 ke na le molao o mong. Oona o bitsoa ka lilemo tsa khale koana ka ‘nete ke ne ke e-s’o nahane hore nka ba mona moo ke teng, feela joale ke tseba hore ke ‘na ea o entseng, a o entseng move.
Esale o tla ka nomoro joalo ka ha Mohlomphehi a cho hore ho tloha khale, ke bona taba ena ea linomoro e nka nako e telele haholo.
Haeba re ile ra o qala ka 2013, haeba o tla ‘ne o tle le 2013 ho fihlelletse ebe o ntse o bitsoa ka 2013 e le 2026, che! Ha ke tsebe mono ha ke na le khang e kaalo, ke hobane ke hopola molao oo ke o fetisitseng joale o bitsoa ka 2020, 2019 kapa 2021, joale ‘na ke ne ke e-s’o be teng feela oona o fetisitsoe ke ‘na. Taba-kholo ke ena ea two, ena ea one ke kopa hore na re ka se e sebetse re li arohantse?
CHAIRPERSON: U ne u eme ka Ntlha ea Tsamaiso Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane. Litho tse Khabane li ne li itse li lahla Clause one as a whole. Ke ‘nete ha hoa ba le too many comments on karolo ena ea bobeli. Feela karolo ena ea bobeli Mohlomphehi e bua ka Section 61.
Section 61 ena leha ke sa e bona, kutloisiso ea ka ke hore ke karolo ea the Principal Law. E leng hore ho entsoe amend ho tloha ho clause 1 ho fihlela ho clause 39. Joale u ne u re Bill ee e tla qala ka nako eo e tla etsoa publish in the Gazette except Section 61. ‘Me ke nahana hore the Principal Law ka nako eo e ne e etsoa publish, e tlameha ile ea etsoa publish e ntse e fana ka exception ho section 61 unless if that is not the case.
E leng hore u ntse u na le monyetla oa hore u ka etsa joalo ntle le hore joale u tlo e amahanya le Amendments tsena tse entsoeng ka mona. That is my understanding_ha ke tsebe lehae-ba batho ba Legal ba ka ba le a different interpretation. My interpretation ke hore haeba the Principal Law_ha ke tsebe hore na ke ea neng, feela definitely ke ea pele ho 2023.
Haeba the Principal Law ka nako eo e ileng ea etsoa publish ka eona, e ne e na le Section 61, joale Section 61 ha re ea e thetsa hona joale tjena, ha re ea e thetsa hohang. Re thetsitse ho tloha ho one up to 39. That means it is still intact haeba e ne e ntse e bontša hore eka etsoa publish ka tsela eno e joalo, kutloisiso ea ka ke hore e ntse e ka etsoa publish ka eona nako eno eo u ka e etsang publish. Ntlha ea Tsamaiso Honourable Senator Motsamai.
HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Ke ema ka Ntlha ea Tsamaiso Ntate Molula-Setulo. The Amendment that is being proposed ke nahana hore eona it is out of order, because ha u nka this Bill Clause one, kea e bala:
“This Act may be cited as a Children’s Protection and Welfare Amendment Act 2023, and shall come into operation on the date of its publication in the Gazette.” Ke fella mono.
In the Gazette nakong eo Minister a e etsang, ke eena ea bolelang Clause tseo a reng ha li kene ka nako eno. That Gazette e bua taba eno. U tla bontša ho re na ke life tseo u ka li etsang Gazette and ke life tseo u sa li etseng Gazette hore li kene into the operation. So eno e tla hlaha hona ho Gazette ha e le joalo hobane ka lehlohonolo you were saved ka hore ka mona ka qalong ka ho preamble, ha u oa re Molao ona o tla kena tšebetsong ha o so o fetile stages tsa tšebetso hore o fumane Royal Assent.
O ile oa e etsa save mono, joale u re u tla tla ka Gazette ‘me ha u tla ka Gazette ke hona moo u tlo bontša hore ke life li-clauses tseo u li nkang li ka tseba hore li kene tšebetsong. Therefore, we don’t need hore re be le this Amendment, I submit.
CHAIRPERSON: Ntlha ea Tsamaiso Honourable Senator Masupha.
HON. SENATOR S. K. MASUPHA: Ntlha ea Tsamaiso eo ke hlahang ka eona ke ea hore ka ‘nete (Interrupted).
CHAIRPERSON: Laeta Morena.
HON. SENATOR S. K. MASUPHA: Ke ea hore Mohlomphehi bophelong ntho e ‘ngoe le e ‘ngoe e na le hlooho. Ke beha taba ena ke e isa ho Honourable Minister. Ha ho na ntho eo e ka tsamaeang feela e se na hlooho.
Joalo ka ha Mohlomphehi Honourable Motsamai a boletse ka nepo, taba ena sehlooho sena seo e fetang ka sona, Mohlomphehi o se balile, a ba a re taba ena e tla hlaha ho Gazette. Ha a qeta eaba o re ho na le Amendment, e le hore joale o bontša hore Bill ena ea hae e shebahala e se na hlooho, joale ke hona a kenyang hlooho hona joale.
Joale Ntlha ea Tsamaiso eo ke hlahang ka eona ke ea hore ke ‘nete taba ena esale e etsa drag nako e telele. ‘Na nka re Mohlomphehi a mpe a be pelo-nolo hore a cheche, a il’o kenyelletsa ntlha ena eo ho bonahalang eka e setse morao. E le hore ha e khutla, e khutle e tsebe ho kena ka Komiting.
Ua tseba Mohlomphehi, Ntlo e ntse e ka bitsoa re koetse e bitsetsoa taba ena haeba ho fumaneha hore ke taba ea bohlokoa haholo (Interrupted).
CHAIRPERSON: Order Litho tse Khabane, ha re mo mameleng.
HON. SENATOR S. K. MASUPHA: Joale ntlha eo ke hlahang ka eona ke ea hore taba ena ke ipiletsa ho Letona la ka hore na le ka se be pelo-nolo hore le hule Bill ena ka mona e mpe e tsamaee e khutlele morao hore e tle e se e tenne litaba tse nepahetseng e le hore e tle e tsebe hore e kene ka Komiting, joale ha e feta Komiting e tle e tsebe ho ba le sehlomathiso sena ebe se hokeloa le lihlomathiso tse ling. Ke utloa eka ke eona Ntlha ea Tsamaiso e nepahetseng.
Kea kopa.
CHAIRPERSON: Rea leboha Morena Oa ka, ke utloa u eletsa Mohlomphehi Letona hore a hule Bill. Ka ‘nete e se e nkile nako e telele, haeba ke ea 2023 re se re le 2026, ke na le pelaelo ea hore ha a ka e hula lekhetlong lena ka ‘nete ea Molimo e se e tla etsoa ka morao ho likhetho, e se e tla etsoa ka morao ho 2028.
Oa bona on average e nka three years, so ‘na I would rather suggest hore re mo eletse hore ena e fete, joale a tle a boele a khutle a tlo etsa Amendments if he so proposes. Honourable Senator Motsamai.
HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Mohlomphehi ke nahanne hore mohlomong nka fumana reaction from you Molula-Setulo kapa eena Honourable Minister ka hore sena seo a se etsang propose, se teng ka mona le taba eno ea hore na ke sections life hobane ha u ntša Gazette ea publication oa bolela hore na ke clauses life tseo u ka reng ke tse in operation. Kea kholoa ke ne ke batla ho tla mono.
Ea bobeli re ile ra qeta ka eona e leng ena eo ke utloang Morena oa ka Morena oa Lioli a bua ka eona. Ka ‘nete ke bona eka lintho tsena ha se lintho tse thata tse ka re sitisang ho fetisa Bill ra e qeta letsatsing lena. Re ka e qeta hobane mona Minister empa feela a batla ho etsa adjust. Adjustment eo a batlang ho e etsa ea sehlooho ea ho tlosa selemo sa 2023 a kenye 2026, le 2026 eno e ntse e se correct hobane Bill e fihlile Senateng mona ka 2025 not 2026.
Eno ke nahana re e feteng, ka Gazette o tla bontša litaba tseo ebe re tla tseba ho feta ka eona hobane I think ena it is the practice e teng e Parliamentary ea hore tittle ha e le tittle e tla tsoa e ntse e le joalo unless eba eile ea etsoa amend somewhere pele.
CHAIRPERSON: Ka ‘nete kea leboha Honourable Senator Motsamai, ke nahana hore boeletsi boo u fanang ka bona from my analysis kapa tsela eo ke shebang litaba ka eona, ke nahana boeletsi boo u bo fang Mohlomphehi Letona ba hore nako eo a etsang publish Gazette, ehlile a ka bontša hore Section 61 e tla ba ka tsela ena eo a etsang propose ka eona. For now ha re qeteleng Bill, re fihlile qetellong ea eona, we just have to deal with Amendments and finalize it.
Ntle ho mona taba eno eo a na batla ho e etsa mona ha ke tsebe hore na Legal Department ea ha habo na ebe ke eona e ntseng e fana ka this advice le hore na Parliamentary Council e tla ananela litaba tsena tse ntseng li etsoa, e se be re boetse re etsa create bothata bo bong.
Ke kopa hore clause Litho tse Khabane li e lahlile. Ke kopa hore re fetele clause 7.
HON. MINISTER P. LESAOANA: Clause Seven ke insertion ea 19 A and 19 B. The offences against the child.
19 A (1) E ne e re: A parent or a guardian is prohibited from giving a child an indecent name.
19 B: Failing to register a child within 3 months after whether born alive or is a still born.
19 C: Failing to give a child access to basic education
19 C (2): Adequate diet, clothing etc.
19 D: Failing to protect the child from the use of narcotics and the rest.
19 E: Initiating medical intervention on a child at birth related to the child intersex characteristics unless they have been medically confirmed.
Taba ea rona ea Amendment is on 19 A (1,) where after the name re kopa insertion with “bad intention”.
Ke hlalose hore the reason re kenyang “bad intention”, ke hore re tla hopola hore ka culture ea rona re le Basotho, bana ba rehelloa, ‘na ke rehelletsoe ka Ntate-Moholo oa ka (Interrupted)
CHAIRPERSON: Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane ha u e hlahisitse feela hoa hau ke ho e hlalosa feela joale ho na le Amendment e tlo tla ka Molula-Setulo. Uena hoa hau ke ho hlalosa feela na e phuthetse eng.
HON. MINISTER P. LESAOANA: Akere ke e hlalositse kapa ke hle ke kene ho Amendment?
CHAIRPERSON: Ee Ntate amendment e tlo tla ka Molula-Setulo.
Question proposed that Clause 7 stand part of the Bill.
CHAIRPERSON: Mohlomphehi Molula-Setulo ke bona eka ha ho na letho a k’u re tataise ka Amendment.
HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Kea leboha Ntate Molula-Setulo, re kopa Amendment ho Clause 7, sub-clause 19 A, sub-clause 1 A hore ka morao ho lentsoe “name”, we insert the word “with bad intention”. I propose.
Question proposed that clause 7 as amended stand part of the bill.
HON. SENATOR M. KANETSI: Kea kholoa taba ea ka e ntse e eme mono moo ke reng na ha ngoana a se a rehiloe_kea kholoa ke utloa taba ena ea bad intentions ekare re tlo sitoa ho e etsa control. Ha ke tsebe hore na re tlo etsa assess hore e ne e le bad intention nako eo a fuang lebitso. Mohlomong ke kalima mantsoe ao u n’o qeta ho a bua a hore ke lerehelloa.
Haeba lerehelloa le ne le le teng, ka tsela eno obviously that will not be a bad intention. Ha e na tlosa taba ea hore lebitso la ngoana lea hobosa.
Ekare re lumella hore haeba re sitoa ho etsa assess the bad and the good intention ea lebitso lena, ebe ngoana enoa a ka feta ka lona le ntse le le joalo, just because we are unable to assess hore na motho ea neng a mo reha o ne a koatile kapa che. So ha ke tsebe hore na re batla ho cho joalo or re batla hore feela lebitso le hobosang le se ke la fuoa ngoana. Bad intentions re sitoa ho e etsa judge, ho e etsa measure kapa ho e chencha. Ke maikutlo a ka Mohlomphehi.
CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Senator Motsamai, Ntate Molula-Setulo ka bokhuts’oanyane ke ntse ke hlokomelisoa mona hore u thetsitse karoloana ea pele feela ea Clause 7, ‘na my wish e ne e le hore e be u li thetsitse kaofela e seng hore u li thetse ka bo ‘ngoe ka ‘nete. Li qetele Mohlomphehi.
Amendment to Clause 7
HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Ke se ke ikopela ts’oarelo Ntate Molula-Setulo, I also stand to propose Amendment Clause 7, Sub-Clause 19A hore re etse move 5 and 6 to the schedule of offences, ke hore e tsoe ka mona e ee ka li-offences so that ha e le joalo e tle tsebe hore e il’o baleha ‘moho hantle ka mane, ke taba feela ea etiquette ea eona hore e tle e tsebe ho hlahella hantle ka mane. I propose.
Ke hlokomela nako ena hore ke hora ea pele, ka ‘nete ke etsa propose hore re eketse nako ka hora hore re tle re tsebe ho qeta mosebetsi ona, I propose Ntate Molula-Setulo.
Question put and agree to
Clause 7 As Amended: Question put and agree to and Order to Stand Part of the Bill.
HON. MIN. P. LESAOANA: Nts’oarele Mohlomphehi, empa e le hore matsoho ana a ka a lieha ho phetla. Clause 19, e ne e baleha tjena. The Principal Law is amended by inserting the following New Sections after Section 61. The Central Authority, which is Section 61A, the following functions of the Central Authority shall be performed by the Director in collaboration with Legal Services, Registration Development of Standards, and Development of Evaluation Tools. Two of them, it’s, the Minister responsible for Home Affairs shall not Register an adopted Child Except by and with and advice of a consent of the Director.
Adoption Agency e leng eona e hlileng e leng taba, will set up and Adoption Agency, I think mona ke li-functions tsa eona kaofela, kaha che ha e so be set up nka ‘na ka lI tlola kaofela. Kea kholoa that was what the Bill Clause 19 was saying.
Kea leboha Mohlomphehi.
Ke bont’se feela hore Cluase 19, 5 and 6 of it A5 and 6, mohlomong e ntse e ts’oana le Cluase 7 eane eo re qetang ho e feta, well, maybe it will be a good practice ho isa li-penalities on schedule- an advice from Parliamentary Council was that we cannot do that. I don’t know what is the legal basis of that but it was an advice e neng e fanoa ke Paliamentary Council. They were saying it is because it should be similar to the Principal Act.
Ha ke tsebe le haeba ho na le ba legal ba mono at the Gallery ho re joetsa haeba ha Principal Act e ile ea ngoloa tjena ebe e tlameha ho sala e le joalo, but that was the advice they gave.
Kea leboha, ke ne ke se ke re kaha re tl’o kena ho tsona re li etsa move re mpe re fane ka caution eno.
Clause 19 as amended: Proposed to stand part of the Bill.
HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Kea leboha, Ntate Molula-Setulo.
Ke ema mona ke s hebile Clause 19. Sehlooho seno sa eona se reng Insertion of the new Section hore re etse delete the letter ‘f’ at the end mono and replace it with the letter ‘g’ – ke hobane ha u li sheba kaofela hoa tsona li fella ka ‘g’ not with ‘’f.
I so move on that one.
Ke boele ke ee ho Clause 19(61c) (1a) line (a). substitute the word, ‘for’ with the word, ‘from’. Ka mono ka ho eona e ne ngotsoe ‘for prescribed, joale re e etse ‘from prescribed’ mono ho eona.
Kapel’a eona mono hape 19 (61c) after the word prescribed, insert inverted commas. Ke eona eo re leng ho eona. ebe ha u qeta you delete the word in schedule 3.
I so move.
Clause 19: Put and agreed to and ordered to stand part of the Bill.
HON. P. LESAOANA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
Clause 20
Clause 20 e etsa amend Section 66 of the Principal Law. Basically it is amending the fees le hore na li beoee joang. All of it is about the amendment of the fees except ‘c’ e bua ka trafficking in persons.
Then 6 ea eona e bua ka a child not to cross the border without a written consent, e kenyeletsa leha ba ea sekolong.
Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
I so move.
Clause 20 as amended: Proposed to stand part of the Bill.
HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Molula-Setulo, ‘na ke lapile.
Ke ema mona ho sisinya amendment to Clause 20(C5) ho re in line 3, after the word school, insert the words “outside the country”.
We move for that amendment.
Re boele hape in Clause 20(C6) line 4, after the word ‘guardian’, delete the word ‘including’ and replace it with ‘excluding’.
I so move.
Clause 20 as amended: Proposed to stand part of the Bill
HON. P. LESAOANA: Clause 23 we are amending; we are inserting new section 76(A) to 76(H) e haholo-holo mona litokelong tsa bana. Hoa bonoa hore ka child marriage re se ke ra ba nyalisa kapa ra ba etsa lintho tse mona tse sa nepahalang.
E leka ho ba thusa on their rights and also on the property and citizenship on resolution of a child marriage. Le eona e kena litabeng tseno…
I so move.
Amendment to Clause 23.
HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Mohlomphehi, in Clause 23 (H) tlas’a the Heading ‘Functions of the Director, Child Protection Services’…delete the following words ‘Child Protection Services’, I so move.
Clause 23 as amended: Put and agreed to and ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 36.
HON. P. LESAOANA: Temana ena, Mohlomphehi, e ne e etsa amend Section 216 of the Principal Law. Mona ho buua ka litaba tsa Children’s Courts. Ka mantsoe ana, kea sisinya, Mohlomphehi.
Amendment to Clause 36.
HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Ntate Molula-Setulo ke ema ho sisinya Amendment in Clause 36 ka hore ‘delete the sub-clause (a). I so move.
Clause 36 as amended: Put and agreed to and ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 37.
HON. P. LESAOANA: Kea leboha Mohlomphehi. Temaneng ena re hlomathisa Section 228 of Principal Act e leng e buang ka litaba tsa likhiro tsa bana, e leng eona e entseng hore ebe Sets’oants’o sena sa Molao e sa le se lula. Ho na le Setho se itseng ke ‘maka-litaba. I so move, Mohlomphehi.
Amendment to Clause 37.
HON. SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi. Ke ema mona to move Amendment in Clause 37, eo ho eona re re’ng ‘delete the entire Clause and retain Section 228 of the Principal Act.
Clause 37 as amended: Put and agreed to and ordered to stand part of the Bill.
MR. CHAIRPERSON: Litho tse Khabane, re fihlile pheletsong ea Litemana tsena tse neng li na le Lihlomathiso. Taba ena e re fihlisa pheletsong ea mosebetsi oa ka Komiting.
(The House resumed).
(The Bill reported from the Committee with Amendments).
MR VICE-PRESIDENT: Letona le Khabane, re tataise Mothating o hlahlamang.
HON. P. LESAOANA: Mohlomphehi, ke sisinya hore Sets’oants’o sena sa Molao se Baloe Lekhetlo la Boraro, Hang-hang.
Question put and agreed to.
Third Reading
CHILDREN’S PROTECTION AND WELFARE (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2023.
MR. VICE-PRSIDENT: Letona le Khabane, re tataise Mothating oa ho qetela.
HON.P. LESAOANA (MINISTER OF SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT): (Technical problem).
HON. M.M. MOSHOESHOE: … oa Komiti ena ea Legislation.
Ka ‘nete kea mo leboba, Ntate, ka tataiso ea hau le mamello ea hau ha u nts’u tla le rona hore re bone hore Bill ena e fetile. Litho tse Khabane li kentse letsoho le toma haholo ho bona hore Bill ena e sebelitsoe.
Ka mantsoe ana ke re, kea leboha, habeli, hararo.
Kea leboha.
MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: Litho tse Khabane, Sets’oants’o sena sa Molao se fetisitsoe ke Ntlo ka bokhabane, ka Lihlomathiso tseno tse entsoeng.
Ka ‘nete ke ne ke re le ‘na, lebitsong la Ntlo ena, lebitsong la Setulo le Tafole, ke nke monyetla ona ho …
(PAUSE)
MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: Hothoe le ‘na ke se ke potlakile haholo. Ke bona eka ke se ke potlaketse ho chaisa (laughter). Joale hothoe ke se ke ntse ke tlola Methati e meng mona.
Question proposed.
HON. SENATOR S.B. SEEISO: Ntate Vice-President, ha ke eme mona ho le senyetsa nako, Litho tse Khabane, empa ke qholotsehile ke ts’ebetso e bileng matla, ena e buang ka boleng le bophelo ba ngoana. ‘Me ruri re le Boeta-Pele kahar’a Ntlo ena, ke nahana ekaba bohlokoa, Honourable Minister, hore taba ena re tle re e sebetse ka bohlale, matla le ka hlokolosi.
Bohlanka ba hau bo sebeletse hore le haeba e kekeng ea eba li-Ofising tsohle ka Marena a Sehlooho, empa li-Ofising tsa Marena, in collaboration with the District Administrator, re ke re tebise kepi hore na boeta-pele bane bo tlase-tlase bo utloisisa hakae, e le hore joale e be bona the front line defense.
The first line of defense ke Ramotse, ho bona hore litokelo tsa ngoana li sireletsehile. E tla re e fihla ho ‘na Matsieng mane, ngoana will be destroyed already, hobane joale Morena a sa utloisise – Morena oa sebaka a sa tsebe. Ngoana o fihla mono e se e le thoto, kapa e se e le motho ea seng a shoele kelello kapa oona ‘mele.
Ka hona, Ntate, ke ne ke kopa hore – ha se hobane, Litho tse Khabane, motho u ile ua qala Mokhatlo oane oo ho thoeng ke Sentebale., empae ne e le letsete la ho batla ho bona ngoan’a Mosotho e ba motho ea ka ikemelang oa monna kapa mosali irrespective of background, irrespective of disability or anything. E ne empa ele hore re fe ngoana a fighting chart ea Bophelo, hore a tsebe ho its’ematlela.
Thapeli ea ka ho Marena a ka le Litho tse Khabane ke hore ruri you will not have a stable community without having healthy children. It is not in terms of nutrition only – which is very important, but the cycle ea social element of a child’s well-being will need to be taken cognizance of, at all times.
Ha ke behile hakaalo, Ntate Vice-President, ke itse ha ke batle ho liehisa Ntlo hore e il’o ja. Letona le Khabane le se le re memme empa a sa supa hore na re il’o jella hokae, empa kea mo tseba Ntate hore ha a ke a koenehele Lits’episo tsa hae (laughter).
Ha ke behile hakaalo ka ‘nete ke re, Litho tse Khabane, ha re eeng re il’o sebetsa litaba tsena.
Kea leboha.
MR VICE-PRESIDENT: Rea leboha, Morena oa ka, u tla supa. Its just a matter of time.
HON.SENATOR S. MOTSAMAI: Ke lebohe, Ntate Vice-President, Mohlomphehi Letona, Litho tse Khabane le Tafole. Ke ne ke batla hore ke tle ke qetelle taba ena ‘na maikutlong a ka ke hore re entse mosebetsi ona ka nako e telele ‘me re nkile nako e telele ho ne ho sa hlokahale.
Eno ke ts’oanela ke e etse register, Ntate Mantata! Re nkile mosebetsi ona nako e telele ho ne ho sa hlokahale. Honourable Minister le ofisi ea hau re ts’oanela nako ena kaofela Ofisi ea Attorney General e etse the write in ha Sets’oants’o sa Molao se fihla ho eona, because ke eena ea fanang ka certificate, a tlo tla a sheba hore na Contradictions of the Laws li reng, policy li reng? Ka ‘nete ha Ofisi ena e sitoa ho re fa ntho e nepahetseng re tla lula re fosisa batho ba baholo ho sa hlokahale. Ke belaela ho na tjena Ntate Vice-President. Honourable Ministers ka Makala a bona ha ba sebetsa taba that Office e ts’oanela e etse ntho e nepahetseng.
Re se kenne ra fetisetsoa lintho tseo ka tsona li ne li ka nna tsa tseba hore_ hobane Ofisi ea Attorney General ke sefe, ke sefe ho tloha ha Sets’oants’o se leba Cabineteng le ha se khutla Cabineteng se tla koano, ha se tloha ka National Assembly se tla koano e ntse e le sefe including ha li tsamaea li leba Ofising ea Ntate Motlotlehi ke sefe e joalo.
Haeba sefe ena e tla lutla ka ‘nete ha ho na moo re tla leba teng. Re ts’oanela re bone hore re etsa ntho e nepahetseng eo e tla re thusa hore re tsebe ho ea pele. Re ne re sa ts’oanela hore ebe re nkile nako e kana, eona ho hang joale e hlaha e se eka taba li lutse Senateng le National Assembly feela liofisi tse neng li ts’oanela hore e be sefe ea rona ha li ea etsa mosebetsi oa tsona.
Eno eona re ts’oanela re bueng ka eona ka ‘nete hore bohle kaofela ba tsebe hore ho n’o sa hlokahale hore ebe re na le 8 Months ntse re lutse le Sets’oants’o ka mona ka Ntlong.
Availability ea bona le nako, taba eno ka bo eona ha se ntho eo re ts’oanelang ebe ka ‘nete re lutse holim’a eona. Ke ne ke batla ke etse register that point. Re ke ke ra lula re fosisa liofisi tse kholo.
Re ile ra lla ka 10th Amendment, e ntse lutlile ka mokhoa o ntseng o ts’oana ea ba ea fumana Royal Assent. E ntse e lutlile ka mokhoa o ts’oanang. Joale ka hobane li khannoa li potlakile eaba re tseba hoba mona moo re ile ra ba ho na teng.
Joale le tse ka reng tsena ka ‘nete se re etsa thapeli hore ha ho etsoe mosebetsi ke batho ba ts’oanelang ho etsa, re se ke nne ra fosisa batho ba baholo.
Ke mpa ke re ho se ho lebohiloe ba bang le Komiti ea heso ekasitana le Litho ka ‘nete re sebelitse ka thata. Taba eno ke taba ea bohlokoa ha re tiiseng. Re ne re sena moea ofe kapa ofe Honourable Minister e ne e le hore re batla ho etsa ntho e nepahetseng.
Kea leboha.
VICE-PRESIDENT: Oh! Ke ne ke re Litokomane tseno ha le li etsa distribute le se ke la ba ka nqa e le ‘ngoe le le babeli, e mong a tle ka lehlakoreng lena.
HON.SENATOR S.K. MASUPHA: Kea leboha hle, Mohlomphehi Vice-President. Mohlomphehi Letona Lesaoana, hore ha ke re kea mo rata tjena ke hobane a ts’oere Lekala le hlokolosi haholo sechabeng leo ha a ka fosa feela, Naha ea Lesotho e tsietsing. Ha ngoana a fumana ts’ireletso e nepahetseng ‘me a hola a baballetsoe rea tseba hore mona re etsa sechaba se tlo phela hantle sa kamoso. Ka hona rea leboha hore ebe molao ona ka morao hore o sokolise nako e telele ke ona o qetelletse o lokela hore o il’o sebetsa sechabeng.
Ho tloha hajoale ntho eo re seng re e lebelletse feela ke ho bona molao ona o phatlalalitsoe ka molao Motlotlehi a o tekenetse o tsamaee o il’o etsa mosebetsi. Re se re bile re kopa hore taba ena e mpe e etsoe ka pele ka mokhoa oo ho ka etsahalang ka teng hoba hajoale ke mariha rea phomola. Ha re phomola tjena, re lebelletse hore ha re khutla re fumane molao ona o se ntse o sebetsa, ke tebello ea rona kea leboha, re le Ntlo ea Senate re re molao ona ha o il’o thusa Basotho e leng bana bane, sechaba sa kamoso, kea leboha.
HON. SENATOR M. C. MAKHAOLA: Ke ne ke re ka ‘nete rea u leboha Ntate hoba molao specifically ke oa mathomo o tlang, batho re tle re be sechaba sa kamoso se phetseng hantle sa batho ba normal. Ha motho a sa otloe joalokaha malome a chulo mane a sa otloe ka nako ho na le lentsoe la sejatlhapi, la selata being narcissism or narcissistic. Bao ke batho bana bao boholo, ke hore nearly evil, diabolic. Batho bana bao e leng hore ka ‘nete that’s a creation, ke ntho e entsoeng ke boemo ba kholo le tlhaho le experiences tseo motho a thulaneng le tsona ha ba iketse batho bao.
Motho ha tsohe e le narcissist, motho o etsoa create, ha re le sechaba se joalo re na le mathata ebile timelo ea rona ke lihele. Joale ke ne ke re boleng ba ka ‘na ke motho e mong ea bohale tjena.
Kea loana le ho loana joale ke re ke ee ke ee lekhotleng mono tlas’a Lekala la Justice, ke ile ka litaba tsa ngoan’aka ebe ke belaela hore ngoan’aka ha abeloe toka.
Ka lebaka la ho se abeloe toka kea halefa. E be ke re: ‘Uena u nahana ke hahao moo?’ E le e mong oa bahlanka ba Lekala la Justice ebe eno mohlanka o sebelisa matla a hae hampe a nkoalla a ntheolela ka mane ka contempt a ntiketsa ka mane empa ka re ke ngoan’aka enoa eo ke mo sireletsang. Ngoana ke motho o na le tokelo ea ho sireletsoa joale uena u bolile. Ke ile ka mo joetsa joale a nkahlola ka contempt.
Ka ea ka mono che Ntate Molise a ntata, o kae? A ntate rea leboha ka molao ona o bohlokoa haholo kahare ho rona re le sechaba joale ha ke khutla ke mo joetsa hape ke re ha ke ts’abe ho ela ngoanaka teronkong, helang kea le qoqela helang banna tholang!
Kea le qoqela hore re na le experience kaofela mona re tsekela bokamoso ba motho ea sitoang ho ipuelella,
MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: Morena oa ka oa Melele se ke ‘ne oa mamela ba fats’e.
HON. SENATOR M. C. MAKHAOLA: Ka ‘nete rea u leboha likhomo!
MR. VICE-PRESIDENT: Rea leboha Morena oa ka oa Melele, tima hee! Rea leboha Litho tse Khabane.
Question that the Bill be read the third time and do pass, put and agreed to.
Ke ne ke ile ka tlola mothati o mong ka potlakela ho leboha hobane joale le ‘na ke ne ke se ke potlakile joaloka Litho tse Khabane ke ne ke ile ka re lebitsong la Setulo, Tafole, Litho tse Khabane le uena Mohlomphehi Letona rea leboha le Bohlanka ba haeno, re leboha mamello ea lona joalokaha ho hlalositsoe Sets’oants’o sena sa Molao se nkile nako e telele haholo ke ntho ena Litho tse Khabane li neng li se ntse li tsamaea li lebala hore na ha na li-clauses lifeng li ne li bua ka eng le eng empa hee ka kakaretso re lebohile haholo hore ebe se fetile ‘me se il’o sebetsa. Litho tse Khabane, re fihlile pheletsong ea mosebetsi oa letsatsi la kajeno, ‘me Ntlo e tla phomola ho fihlela hosane ka 10:30 hoseng.
ADJOURNMENT
Thereupon, Mr. Vice-President adjourned the House without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order No. 16 (3).
The House was adjourned accordingly at 13:43 hrs.